CASA Medical Policy Survey

[Student Pilot]

8 hours ago, Possum1 said:

Still, I think pilots should be ringing AvMed making genuine enquiries about the coming implementation of the self-declared pilot medical certificate and force CASA into a position where they must properly brief their staff on what is really happening.

Wasting your time and money, CASA listens to nobody

[Bruce Tuncks]

The worst thing Keating did was to allow individual CASA officers to be sued. This is not in itself so bad, if they could be sued for failing to nurture aviation for example. Alas, they can only be sued for allowing things which might end in an accident.

So it is in their interests to have a small aviation sector. Too small and the govt just might reduce the size of CASA.

[Possum1]

What we don't need is RA-AUS counselling against this because it would impact their business model which relies on pilots who have lost their medical joining their organisation. They might even lose some members who have a PPL, then acquire a self-declared medical certificate and go and buy a GA plane.

[Ian]

7 minutes ago, Possum1 said:

What we don't need is RA-AUS counselling against this because it would impact their business model

Personally I think that there is a strong conflict of interest in this area which should be articulated by the commitee, and a key requirement being harmonization of the medical requirements between the different streams of aviation.

 

[facthunter]

CASA said in the beginning that RAAus would never have more restriction than GA. Nev

[Possum1]

Two of the doctors on the Part 67 Technical Working Group appear to also be speakers at the upcoming ASAM Conference starting this Thursday at the Crowne Plaza in the Hunter Valley. Other members of the TWG will also most probably be attending. There will be many DAMEs from all over the country attending including the one I go to. Hopefully the matter of self-declared pilot certification will come up, especially in the session with CASA on Sunday morning.

There is also a session on Saturday where a "Dr Cronin will compare and contrast the United States' Aviation Medical Examination (FAA) system against the Australian Aviation Medical Examination (CASA) system, and provide comment on the differences, as well as any areas that each system can improve off each other." It might be nice for some recommendations from the American medical standards for PPL medical certification to be adopted here in Australia.

[kgwilson]

I keep hearing people saying that RA-Aus is against the relaxing of medical standards for GA pilots but not one person has supplied any evidence that this is the case. It is only their opinion and that is fine but when that is not stated others get on the bandwagon on an issue that probably does not even exist.

 

The UK CAA did it properly back in 2015. CAP 1284 utilised a pragmatic terms of reference and process for conducting a survey of pilots. The results and changes to self declared medicals for all UK GA & NPPL pilots requiring only a Group 1 (car) drivers licence was published in CAP 1397 in April 2016 less than a year from the original proposal. They used evidence of accidents & fatalities over 45 years as well as the survey results to resoundingly scrap the Class 2 requirement for over 32,000 pilots. But of course we have CASA & it is 8 years later. 

[Kyle Communications]

KG.  I think what it is ...that RAAUS has not supported AOPA in their push for it. They basically have stayed quiet everytime AOPA has asked them

[Blueadventures]

32 minutes ago, Kyle Communications said:

KG.  I think what it is ...that RAAUS has not supported AOPA in their push for it. They basically have stayed quiet everytime AOPA has asked them

Also a friend up here always reminds me of a document that AOPA sent around showing in writing that RAAus were against GA getting relaxed medicals same as RAAus.  As recent as Friday he mentioned it again so must have been circulated years ago,

[Kyle Communications]

yes Mike it goes back quite a long way..but RAA have never said anything against it..they just seem to refuse to take up the topic or support AOPA in any way on it....they just keep their mouth shut...for obvious reasons

 

[Flying_higher]

It always gets me that everyone makes their mind up about someone’s views or positions without asking them. On Friday Australian Flying asked the question of RAA and this what the CEO said….
http://www.australianflying.com.au/latest/raaus-provides-support-for-self-declared-medicals

[Possum1]

24 minutes ago, Flying_higher said:

 

Edited September 11, 2022 by Possum1

[Possum1]

6 minutes ago, Possum1 said:

 

 

Edited September 11, 2022 by Possum1

[Possum1]

27 minutes ago, Flying_higher said:

It always gets me that everyone makes their mind up about someone’s views or positions without asking them. On Friday Australian Flying asked the question of RAA and this what the CEO said….
http://www.australianflying.com.au/latest/raaus-provides-support-for-self-declared-medicals

I can't work out how to delete the above but anyhow, this is great that RAAUS has changed their position on this - I was quoting from the March 22 report of the previous meeting so my news was old. It is also great that the TWG met on August 25 as there is no evidence of this on CASA's website.

 

I just hope that Australian Flying's sources are accurate. We don't want a last minute knobbling by CASA like they did last time with the Basic Med with the word "unconditional."

 

Edited September 11, 2022 by Possum1

[Possum1]

Why is the Aviation Safety Advisory Panel waiting until 13 October to meet? They could meet tomorrow. They must be aware about how urgent GA, AOPA etc. consider this matter to be. We've waited 6 years for this.

 

We have heard nothing about the survey either(as if one was needed) and that was nearly 4 months ago.

Edited September 11, 2022 by Possum1

[Flying_higher]

I understand the aviation safety panel meet on a schedule like boards do. I’m sure there are many issues just as urgent in other peoples eye than self declared medicals for private operators. And remember they only give advice to the CASA CEO and she can do with that advice as she pleases. 
 

also, AOPA has zero pull in Canberra (or with anyone important) so I don’t think you’ll see the aviation panel March to their beat! 

[Possum1]

The problem is that they are having meetings at all when all the evidence is already in from overseas, even from RA-AUS(see the above link to Australian Flying). These are people who think that serving on committees, boards, panels and going to meetings which, as you say, have no authority anyway, is actual work.

 

It's like me as a school relief teacher turning up for work to replace some teacher who has taken a sickie on the day of the athletics carnival. I quite enjoy being paid quite a bit of money just to be a teacher rather than actually do any teaching!

 

[Thruster88]

https://consultation.casa.gov.au/regulatory-program/dp-2206fs/

 

A report will now be prepared and released in the first half of 2023 and then more consultation.  Responses from individuals and organisations can be read in the above link.