Small plane missing Victoria 18/09/22

[facthunter]

What do you mean By Rockhampton AIRPORT Space?  Turbs.  Nev

[kgwilson]

Getting back to the original subject, it would appear he was a reasonably good student based on the conversion CFIs remarks but his gung ho bullet proof attitude did not make an appearance then. It certainly did from his Paragliding Instructors comments. See the transcript below. He was described as a "disaster waiting to happen" and that those in Tasmania who had instructed him and observed his flying and attitude offered the final statement "Sadly Jill, those of us down here with an awareness of these factors are unsurprised by what has transpired."

 

Thanks for the call yesterday. This email concerns the fatal aircraft accident
involving Mathew Farrell, and the concerns I raised in our phone call.
Mat joined our community in Tasmania in late 2019. I first spent time with him
whilst driving to Bright in March 2020, to attend a cross country clinic I had
organised for THPA (Tas. Hang gliding and Paragliding Association) members.
Mat told me his background coming from adventure sports, more specifically rock-
climbing. He described his appetite for risk and his belief that he was able to
manage the involved risks to a high degree and aviation was no different.
This raised my eyebrows, and I mentioned that gravity does not take prisoners,
which he dismissed.
He replied that he was aware of the risks but he felt he knew enough to handle them.
The impression that I was left with was that this was someone who had yet to
honestly face the consequences of their actions and were denying their vulnerability
(or mortality).
Over the course of the next few days, I was able to observe Mat’s flying. Whilst
competent in all phases of flight in terms of controlling his aircraft, I was concerned
about his decision-making processes. He appeared to only think one step ahead,
and not look further ahead to possible consequences. This manifested itself
particularly in his approach to landings. …
Over the next year, Mat progressed through the pilot qualifications, but not without
incident. I have attached three reports raised within SAFA’s Accident and Incident
Reporting System (AIRS) concerning Mat, and email correspondence from our
AIRS Manager (in effect, accident investigator), Luke Denniss, regarding one of
these. Luke complained to me personally about Mat’s approach to reporting events
(why should I?), and the events themselves (I knew what I was doing). Luke
expressed his concern that Mat was ‘… a disaster waiting to happen’ or words to
that effect. He was not alone in that view, I’m sorry to say.
Whilst in Tasmania, Mat approached local Flight Instructor Ramon Brasnja to be
issued a PG5 pilot certificate, SAFA’s highest flight qualification. Ramon refused
to sign him off as he believed that his attitude was not consistent with that of a PG5
pilot. I have attached the correspondence from Mat to Ramon in response to this.
Overall, for me, Mat was particularly arrogant when it came to being honest about
his decisions, denying there was a problem and refusing to recognise that he had
made errors in judgement. His belief in his invincibility was a great worry.
Sadly Jill, those of us down here with an awareness of these factors are unsurprised
by what has transpired. …177 (the Iain Clarke email)

[jackc]

52 minutes ago, turboplanner said:

Just at the moment the last thing RA needs is someone rabbiting on about breaking the rules. I seem to remember you telling us you were going to doze an airstrip on your Western Queensland proprty then it was under the Rockhampton airport space.

 

 

I have several properties……..

[jackc]

It’s not RAA rules anyway, unlicensed aircraft and unlicenced pilots come under CASAs rules……It may come under RAA, IF aircraft is registered with them, or recently expired?

[facthunter]

RAAus can't go anywhere and have authority to interview  normal citizens. All they could do is cancel their Membership or involve the Police ? THAT would go down well with the rest of the Membership NOT. An unlicensed Pilot is a normal citizen and has nothing to do with CASA unless there is some evidence of criminal activity of an aviation Nature to be Investigated  currently Or in the past when He had a current licence.. Nev

Edited yesterday at 07:39 AM by facthunter

[turboplanner]

3 hours ago, jackc said:

It’s not RAA rules anyway, unlicensed aircraft and unlicenced pilots come under CASAs rules……It may come under RAA, IF aircraft is registered with them, or recently expired?

We covered  that one only recently. When RAA didn't act, CASA audited RAA to see what the standard of administration was.

It certainly requires a careful study of what can be done outy in the community, but I've done it successfully in conjunction with Vicpol.

 

Getting the advantages of Self Administration and then not administering is not an option.

[turboplanner]

36 minutes ago, facthunter said:

RAAus can't go anywhere and have authority to interview  normal citizens. All they could do is cancel their Membership or involve the Police ? THAT would go down well with the rest of the Membership NOT. An unlicensed Pilot is a normal citizen and has nothing to do with CASA unless there is some evidence of criminal activity of an aviation Nature to be Investigated  currently Or in the past when He had a current licence.. Nev

It sounds as if you haven't been involved in Self Administration, so you'd be better watching what's unfolding over the next few months.

[jackc]

4 minutes ago, turboplanner said:

It sounds as if you haven't been involved in Self Administration, so you'd be better watching what's unfolding over the next few months.

Many of us stand to learn a lot from all of this…..

[facthunter]

WHAT have YOU been involved with concerning Aircraft might be a MORE relevant question.

    Self Administration worked REAL good with BOEING didn't it?.  100's died GIANT payouts.. The FAA got BAGGED BIGTIME for allowing that to happen and Boeing's nearly BROKE. All the different SASAO's divide the voice. of the Participants and gives them UNCERTAINTY. Forming them PROVES NOTHING. but a desire to avoid the Responsibility the  FEDERAL LAW of the LAND charges them with accepting. Its able to by virtue of the government backing.. Nev

[facthunter]

AEROPLANES are Unique in so much as they are made to operate in the air and only stay there when things go right. You cant\'t just SAY  "Hang this" and Pull over and hail a TAXI. The Plane doesn't stay there. It falls and BREAKS THINGS and Kills people. Nev

[turboplanner]

16 minutes ago, facthunter said:

WHAT have YOU been involved with concerning Aircraft might be a MORE relevant question.

    Self Administration worked REAL good with BOEING didn't it?.  100's died GIANT payouts.. The FAA got BAGGED BIGTIME for allowing that to happen and Boeing's nearly BROKE.

OK so you don't know what Self Administration is in Australia.

We don't have self administration with our cars, but our sports and recreational clubs and associations have been practising it along with Councils and Industry for nearly 40 years. In Victoria the Department of Labour & Industry closed down about 1986 and there were no more Inspectors coming around testing cables and chains etc. We don't operate in the same way as the US, so no point talking about their system.

16 minutes ago, facthunter said:

All the different SASAO's divide the voice. of the Participants and gives them UNCERTAINTY. Forming them PROVES NOTHING.

Intetestingly I'm not seeing many complaints about SASAOs; they mostly go about their business, but it never stops in social media about the prescriptive part of CASA.

So why run them down when you're not involved with them?

 

 

16 minutes ago, facthunter said:

but a desire to avoid the Responsibility

Taking responsibility, and its associated costs is what SASAO's do, and have done it very well for the 40 years.

16 minutes ago, facthunter said:

the  FEDERAL LAW of the LAND charges them with accepting. Its able to by virtue of the government backing.. Nev

SASAOs also have to comply with any Statutory laws that apply, so that's covered.

[onetrack]

Jackc, you might want to consider the standard penalties for flying an unregistered aircraft, or flying without a pilots licence/certificate, if things go pear-shaped, and don't follow your carefully-orchestrated, secret aviation plans.

 

One standard Commonwealth Penalty Unit is currently $330 (current as at 7 November 2024, and subject to indexation), so the cost of 50 PU's is $16,500 today. Then, there's the little issue of the damage or injury caused to third parties during your unregistered/unlicenced flying operations, that went contrary to all your carefully-laid plans.

 

It's odd, how someone, or someones elses valuable property, often has a nasty habit of being located in the wrong place, at the wrong time, when you have a little "flying upset" - no matter how remote the location.

 

https://classic.austlii.edu.au/au/legis/cth/consol_reg/casr1998333/s200.030.html

 

One "sovereign citizen" of Mackay Qld, who killed his passenger when he crashed whilst flying unlicenced and unregistered over Ball Bay in Qld, managed to squeak out of a manslaughter charge on technicalities last year - but he still faces a trial on another 6 aviation charges this year, one of which charges includes operating as an unlicenced pilot.

 

But perhaps the worrying part is the potential civil lawsuit still hanging over his head for the loss, or losses, associated with the death of his passenger - who was apparently a "good mate". It seems like the families of the deceased are not such good mates nowadays with the unlicenced pilot.

 

But according to reports, the unlicenced pilot makes weekly phone calls to Donald Trump to sort out his predicament, and to have all the Australian aviation charges dismissed, so I'm really interested to see how that's going to work out for him.

 

All I can suggest is, if you want to carry out lots of secret, unlicenced/unregistered flying activities, far from "prying eyes", then you'd be well advised to have a top-class KC on your list of close contacts.

[kgwilson]

If you are going to do these things that contrary to all of the rules, regulations and laws of the land you sure as hell don't tell anyone especially on a public forum site.

[BrendAn]

2 hours ago, onetrack said:

Jackc, you might want to consider the standard penalties for flying an unregistered aircraft, or flying without a pilots licence/certificate, if things go pear-shaped, and don't follow your carefully-orchestrated, secret aviation plans.

 

One standard Commonwealth Penalty Unit is currently $330 (current as at 7 November 2024, and subject to indexation), so the cost of 50 PU's is $16,500 today. Then, there's the little issue of the damage or injury caused to third parties during your unregistered/unlicenced flying operations, that went contrary to all your carefully-laid plans.

 

It's odd, how someone, or someones elses valuable property, often has a nasty habit of being located in the wrong place, at the wrong time, when you have a little "flying upset" - no matter how remote the location.

 

https://classic.austlii.edu.au/au/legis/cth/consol_reg/casr1998333/s200.030.html

 

One "sovereign citizen" of Mackay Qld, who killed his passenger when he crashed whilst flying unlicenced and unregistered over Ball Bay in Qld, managed to squeak out of a manslaughter charge on technicalities last year - but he still faces a trial on another 6 aviation charges this year, one of which charges includes operating as an unlicenced pilot.

 

But perhaps the worrying part is the potential civil lawsuit still hanging over his head for the loss, or losses, associated with the death of his passenger - who was apparently a "good mate". It seems like the families of the deceased are not such good mates nowadays with the unlicenced pilot.

 

But according to reports, the unlicenced pilot makes weekly phone calls to Donald Trump to sort out his predicament, and to have all the Australian aviation charges dismissed, so I'm really interested to see how that's going to work out for him.

 

All I can suggest is, if you want to carry out lots of secret, unlicenced/unregistered flying activities, far from "prying eyes", then you'd be well advised to have a top-class KC on your list of close contacts.

that bloke from mackay should never have carried passengers .   if you want to fly unlicensed you do it away from populated areas and never take any passengers.  thats how a lot of people do it. you might be surprised how many.

[spacesailor]

And do it at night ! .

No lights , so just another " fruit bat " .

( must paint the polished bird , " black " ) .

It will be a hoot .

spacesailor

[jackc]

I know a guy who illegally flew a DC3 on some illegal flights. CASA staked him out but were too late, he left well before first light. They were late, as they got messed up in directions where to go to, where the flight originated.  It was a property in Qld. 

[jackc]

1 hour ago, BrendAn said:

that bloke from mackay should never have carried passengers .   if you want to fly unlicensed you do it away from populated areas and never take any passengers.  thats how a lot of people do it. you might be surprised how many.

The only passenger I will ever take would be an Instructor, I never want the responsibility of taking an ordinary PAX. 

[spacesailor]

And do it at night ! .

No lights , so just another " fruit bat " . 

There was many illegal flights from Asia to Byron Bay ( before it got a name ) .

Full of drugs of course.   

spacesailor

PS. : even had their own bank ' Nugen-Hand bank of Australia ' .