Winging it Down the Castlereagh

[old man emu]

If you are an RAA member, why not ask them? 

 

I know that a lot of people don't have hull insurance, but do these people ever consider what would happen to a passenger? It's like Third Party insurance for your car. We all pay it and the majority never claim on it.

 

You've got to consider my position. If there is the misfortune of someone being injured during the event, or property damaged, then as the Display Organizer, I'm targeted.  Don't I have the right to ensure that my risks are covered? I have had to buy Public Liability insurance in case a member of the public trips over a twig on the fairground.

[facthunter]

You are paying for others but it's nice to be covered IF someday bad happens. You should only gamble IF you can afford to lose.  Nev

[old man emu]

I have spoken to the company that issues the RAA Member's Policy. That policy will not be extended to indemnify Arthur Butler Aviation Museum Inc.

 

Entrants need to contact their hull insurer to obtain confirmation that ABAM is indemnified should a claim arise. If your aircraft is not insured, then your entry application will be denied.

 

You are very welcome to come to Tooraweenah to socialise and experience the local area, but be aware that you will carry the liability for any incident yourself. Since Tooraweenah is an uncontrolled aerodrome, in the interests of safe arrival, I have prepared suggested approach routes from the 10 Nm boundary.  The guide contains a lot of other useful information.

 

Pilot Guide to Tooraweenah.pdf

[turboplanner]

18 hours ago, Old Koreelah said:

What about those of us with NO insurer? 
My aircraft is not insured.
The only insurance I carry is the cover inherent in my RAAus pilot certificate. Is that what you mean? If so, perhaps we can get a group endorsement from RAAus?

Self Insurance on the aircraft I can understand, but what about Public Liability where a claim can go to about $13 million for a quadruplegic?

 

[Old Koreelah]

2 hours ago, turboplanner said:

Self Insurance on the aircraft I can understand, but what about Public Liability where a claim can go to about $13 million for a quadruplegic?

 

I hear you Turbs, but we’ve had this discussion before. The Public Liability included in my RAA certificate gives some peace of mind, but how much would they pay? It was suggested that they’d be wise to not publicise a figure, for fear of larger claims.

All my efforts to buy an extension to the basic RAA cover have come to nothing; few interested, quotes exorbitant.

[Old Koreelah]

After looking forward to this rally, I won’t be able to go. 

Just heard that hometown is holding a campdraught that weekend, with one event in memory of my little brother; it will be the first anniversary of his death.

[old man emu]

12 minutes ago, Old Koreelah said:

I won’t be able to go.

I think that you have a duty to your family that is more important than any thing else.

[Old Koreelah]

Thanks OME, I hope you Rally goes well.

[Tim McClelland]

Hi, my first post to this forum

I have been speaking to Mark today who is the organiser of of this event, Winging it down the Castlereigh.

Whilst we were speaking he had a call, and had to go.

When he came back it he was delighted, it was a call from The insurer of RAA AUS.

He has had confirmation that if, 1: Your an RAA AUS current pilot, and 2: Flying an RAA registered aircraft, this WILL meet the insurance requirements for the event, nothing more to show.

If in a "VH" aircraft, there is still a need to demonstrate you have the public liability insurance I assume.

Mark can be contact at [email protected] if you need any more clarification.

I hope this may help clarify for some.

Cheers

Tim

[old man emu]

Well, it's only two weeks until the supposed running of the Arthur Butler Trophy event. I say "supposed" because as of Sunday 7th May, only a handful of people have bothered to request an entry form. At this rate it'll be a case of "every child wins a prize". Hardly worth even dropping the starter's flag.

 

 

[Thruster88]

I am not sure how you have advertised the event, nothing has come up on my Facebook feed. A Facebook search reveals one post from the mountain veiw motel, not many people would follow them. I only know the event is on from this forum. I have a prior commitment that weekend.  

 

 

[old man emu]

When you search and locate the email addresses of aero clubs, flying schools and what not, then send them emails, I'd reckon that you've notified the majority of the recreational aviation community. 

 

11 hours ago, Thruster88 said:

I only know the event is on from this forum.

So you know about it, and I can accept that a prior commitment prevents you from coming, but have you mentioned it to others at Cowra? I have actually spoken to the flying school at Cowra and sent information. The aero club was deserted on the day I was there.

 

I suppose I'm just feeling sorry for myself, sitting in an unfinished dwelling because I've put too much time into doing something for others. There's no fool like an old fool.

[facthunter]

Never stop learning. I hope you get a better late than never response OME.  Nev

[old man emu]

I can see myself being as busy as a one-armed paperhanger in a windstorm on the morning of the event. That doesn't worry me, as I can plan for it. What annoys me is that the information package contains the strongly suggested lanes of entry to Tooraweenah for arriving aircraft. I did all the work preparing those in order to make arrivals safe. If people who are either wanting to compete, or simply treating it as a social event, don;t at least ask for the package, then the risk of mid-airs is increased. 

 

There's a custom in the Country. If you need to open a gate to go forward, close it behind you. I'd like to apply something similar. If there's a suggested route, use it.

[Bruce Tuncks]

OME, I really wish you well, but please don't make the flight plan compulsory.   Fuel, for example, is often just worked out with conservative assumptions to make sure there is plenty. Well I'm a bit lazy and that's what I do.

Anyway, best wishes and I'm sure it will be fine on the day.  (weather permitting of course ).

[old man emu]

2 hours ago, Bruce Tuncks said:

please don't make the flight plan compulsory.

But that is the the idea of the event. It's too easy to rely on an electricky thing. The role-playing is to put yourself in the position of a Butler Air Transport DH84 captain in the late 30s, and early post-war period when you had to do the sums yourself and, since you had to connect with a scheduled flight, you had to be on time. 

 

I'm not stupid to think that EFBs aren't going to be used during the flight. I did that the other day when I surveyed the route. But it is more a test of oneself to see how professional one can be in flight planning. Can you actually be at a location exactly when you planned to be there. Unfortunately, the country lacks outstanding landmarks for a lot of the course, so the observation trial part might need to be bolstered by some aviation history questions.

 

All I can say is that before the event, pilots and navigators should consider all phases of a flight and plan accordingly.

[BrendAn]

is this going to be a regular event or a one off. i hope to be licensed ready for the next one if there is . thinking biannual would be a good drawcard for the area.

Edited May 9, 2023 by BrendAn

[old man emu]

If the first one comes off as I hope it will, we  probably will be running a similar event every two years to alternate with the air show that Coonabarabran Aero Club runs. 

 

If that happens, the next one will ne "Pillaging the Pilliga". The Pilliga Forest, sometimes known as the Pilliga Scrub, constitutes over 5,000 km2 of semi-arid woodland in temperate north-central New South Wales. It is the largest such continuous remnant in the state. The forest is located near the towns of Baradine and Narrabri and the villages of Pilliga and Gwabegar.

 

The route might be something like this:

 

[BrendAn]

3 minutes ago, old man emu said:

If the first one comes off as I hope it will, we  probably will be running a similar event every two years to alternate with the air show that Coonabarabran Aero Club runs. 

 

If that happens, the next one will ne "Pillaging the Pilliga". The Pilliga Forest, sometimes known as the Pilliga Scrub, constitutes over 5,000 km2 of semi-arid woodland in temperate north-central New South Wales. It is the largest such continuous remnant in the state. The forest is located near the towns of Baradine and Narrabri and the villages of Pilliga and Gwabegar.

 

The route might be something like this:

 

i know about the pilliga and what lives in it.

[Old Koreelah]

12 minutes ago, old man emu said:

If that happens, the next one will ne "Pillaging the Pilliga".

I sure would like to be in that one, OME, but I wouldn’t like to fly over too much forest.

 

Regarding the Pilliga, our small local mill and many others used to rely on cypress logs cut down there, until Bob Carr made it a National Park. 
Despite being a pretty serious conservationist, I call that the dumbest decision. The Pilliga is not natural- it’s a recovering disaster area, having been overgrazed, eroded, then abandoned by white farmers. 
 

Without management by fire, I’ve seen lots of good country over-run by cypress, which grows in thickets of spindly, small trees too dense for undergrowth. They’ll never yield the sort of timber trees many inland towns were built with. There is usually increased soil erosion and no wildlife; pretty much an ecological dead zone.

[onetrack]

I've been to Baradine and the Pillaga! - and even lived for a week in the farmhouse ("Cumberdeen") that belonged to the famous Eric Rolls! - the farmer/naturalist/writer, who wrote the book, "A Million Wild Acres", about the Pillaga Scrub that adjoined his farm. It's a fascinating place. The BIL was renting the farmhouse at the time (1994), and we stayed with him while we were touring the Eastern States.

 

Eric Rolls died in Oct 2007, and unfortunately, it appears the Cumberdeen farmhouse is now abandoned and derelict.

 

https://insidestory.org.au/golden-disobedience-the-history-of-eric-rolls/

 

https://www.flickr.com/photos/kennygiblin/15425736596/in/photostream/

 

[old man emu]

Thanks for introducing me to Eric Rolls. I must start reading him. I didn't realise he had lived so close by. It gives me an idea for the route of the "Pillaging the Pilliga" event if we have it. What do you think of it?

[old man emu]

11 hours ago, BrendAn said:

i know about the pilliga and what lives in it.

I laughed at first, out of ignorance, but I've since learned of the Pilliga Yowie, or Jingra, a 10 ft (3.0 m) tall, hairy, man-eating beast.  So feared is the Pilliga Yowie that truckies travelling on the Newell Highway between Coonabarabran and Narrabri will not use the rest areas along the 100 kms through the Scrub. The Pilliga Yowie is the protagonist in the movie There's Something in the Pilliga.

 

Once has to wonder that if Yowies, or Jungra are part of Aboriginal culture, if they are real, then they must have existed through many generations of their species. Or are they a disciplinary tool used by Aboriginal mothers to teach their children of Life's dangers, much as the Bogeyman and Hansel & Gretel's witch?

[onetrack]

Maybe you could make "Pillaging the Pillaga" into a "Find the Yowie" hunt? Aerial searching from multiple aircraft, should soon flush them out! 

[Old Koreelah]

4 minutes ago, old man emu said:

I laughed at first, out of ignorance, but I've since learned of the Pilliga Yowie, or Jingra, a 10 ft (3.0 m) tall, hairy, man-eating beast…

You might laugh now, but wait till you meet the bugger!

 

Yonks ago I was lucky enough to spend time learning from a Bandjalung songman. Nyimbin often featured in the many traditional stories he told. They were secretive, nimble little people who aften caused mischief arond the camp.

 

A family members knew an old bushie who told about a Yowie he caught stealing from his hut. He wrestled with it, but couldn’t get a proper grip on it’s loose, thick skin. About 1.5 Feet m tall, it must have been a badly-fed relative of the one that terrorises the Pilliga.