Private Aircraft are 10x more polluting than Commercial (CO2)

[turboplanner]

Here comes the thin end of the wedge, European based.

Pollution and polluting were 1970's terms and related to particulates and other cancer causing emissions.

Now we're on the UN originated and controlled CO2 route.

I'd hate to think what the grammes per passenger per km are on a two stroke ultralight; even though it's emissions as a percentage of total world emissions would not be measurable. 

Although Australia has Design Rules for emissions which are as tough as any in the world on our cars and trucks, we don't have any CO2 limits. Primarily that's because the fuel affects the result as much as the engine and there's no practical way to separate them.

The question is whether these figures stand up to forensic invenstiagtion or will join the growing number of graphs which didn't start from zero, CO2 measurement graphs created from readings taken on active volcanoes, acquired blindness to tidal gauges etc.

 

[facthunter]

You could replace Private with Small Capacity. Those small ones are turbine. Good pistons always had better fuel figures,  especially if operated at lower levels. but they self destruct more often. Nev

[spacesailor]

ONE four jet jumbo , uses more fuel. Getting to cruise altitude , Than All the ' small capacity  ' piston engined planes in Austraila , use in one whole day !.

spacesailor

 

 

[Bruce Tuncks]

If you are using per capita figures though, I reckon that the air force would be by far the worst.

My Jabiru returns about the same  fuel used per trip figures as my car. The jabiru can go direct, a big saving, but it has to hold itself up ( induced drag ), which is a big cost. They balance out pretty well. But an air-force jet uses way more fuel than my Jabiru, and it has the same number of people (2) usually.

 

[onetrack]

Of course, the figures are deceiving, because they presume that every person on the planet is going to purchase a sizeable fossil-fuelled private aircraft, and travel in it exclusively. 

The bottom line is that the number of people doing this, are but a tiny proportion of the people travelling every day.

They might as well focus on the bogans from Lower Bumblegum driving 1980's models diesel Hiluxes with 400,000 - 500,000km on the clock, that are spewing out loads of CO2, NO2, and visible smoke and carbon particles.

They exist, but only in numbers equating to private passenger-carrying aircraft - but of course, private passenger-carrying aircraft are such a more highly visible target than the bogans from Lower Bumblegum.

[turboplanner]

27 minutes ago, Bruce Tuncks said:

If you are using per capita figures though, I reckon that the air force would be by far the worst.

My Jabiru returns about the same  fuel used per trip figures as my car. The jabiru can go direct, a big saving, but it has to hold itself up ( induced drag ), which is a big cost. They balance out pretty well. But an air-force jet uses way more fuel than my Jabiru, and it has the same number of people (2) usually.

 

This is just about CO2 emission, not fuel volume, Nox, Particulates, and as I mentioned not paralleled to fuel, because the type and quality of fuel can make a major change to the g/person/km figure.

[turboplanner]

13 minutes ago, onetrack said:

The bottom line is that the number of people doing this, are but a tiny proportion of the people travelling every day.

For reasonable people, that would be the key metric because they will be in the general range of commercial, albeit not as good, but the net Recreational Aircraft footprint probably wouldn't exceed that of wild brumbies.

 

In fact Australia's CO2 footprint is a tiny percentage of the world total; but the UN driven promoters managed to get the bulk of the population to believe that we should "set an example."

Edited October 25, 2022 by turboplanner

[old man emu]

Once again, the figures don't lie, but liars can figure.  How relevant to private or recreational flying are the figures gleaned from the operation of the types of aircraft depicted in graph? As onetrack says, more pollutants are sprayed out by the "Harry the Who-me"s than all the Pontius Pilots committing private recreational flying throughout the world. 

 

But once again - the media portrays aircraft owners as wealthy idlers always worthy of a flak barrage. How much pollution are grey nomads pumping out from their monster trucks dragging oversized metal tents up and down the country. I'm not rich enough to own one of those combinations, so I'll just have to try to make do with a cheap little 2-seater aerial tourer and carry a nylon tent and feather sleeping bag if I want to see this wide, brown land.

[facthunter]

 Seat Km cost on a typical Jetliner was 38Cents/Km before the fuel went through the roof say it's now 50 c and do a comparo. The fuel component  will be close to / proportionate to the direct operating costs.

  Piston engines were not mentioned. . Nev

[turboplanner]

7 minutes ago, old man emu said:

But once again - the media portrays aircraft owners as wealthy idlers always worthy of a flak barrage. 

This is not the media; this is an environmental organisation with an agenda.

[facthunter]

The way it's presented Small planes are assumed to be flown by private operators. Misleading Intentionally?? Many of them would be chartered or aeromedical  Nev

[turboplanner]

1 minute ago, facthunter said:

The way it's presented Small planes are assumed to be flown by private operators. Misleading Intentionally?? Many of them would be chartered or aeromedical  Nev

This organisation clearly has no idea of the full depth of the aviation industry, and probably no idea that CO2 is not causing global warming, but that's not stopping them putting pressure on a small industry sector.

[Bruce Tuncks]

Don't agree about co2 turbs. Many thousands of tonnes of the stuff sitting over this farm. I wish that the govt would pay to have some of it removed by charcoalization and burying. This would be the exact opposite of subsidizing coal.

[facthunter]

Australian soil is very deficient in Carbon content. Gum leaves don't  work like Englands deciduous trees.  Nev

[BrendAn]

well after looking looking at those figures i will not be purchasing a cessna citation. 😃

maybe i can fit an engine on each wing of the lsa 55 for higher cruise speed, a jabiru trimotor.

Edited October 25, 2022 by BrendAn