Rotax 912is in Iranian Drones....

[eightyknots]

The news article claims the BUK missiles are owned by various nations including Ukraine.

[eightyknots]

Then, when the news organisation has extracted news mileage from this, they decide to hand the fragments over to the Dutch Safety Board so that they can back up the news vendor.

 

🤔

 

 

[Methusala]

The debris field was never sealed as we are so used to seeing in crime dramas. Remember,'This is a crime scene and no one gets access till forensics are done". 

That some objects allegedly obtained by a journalist, then handed to"authorities" counts as proof of anything doesn't pass the sniff test.

I believe some other story is behind this tragedy. An alternative states that Putin was flying in the vicinity and the Ukies thought they had him in their sights. Truth is no one will ever know what the truth is. I don't accept the validity of the Dutch investigation any more than the corrupt findings of the Lockerby stuff-up. Merely one person's opinion.

BTW Jeroan Akkermans sounds like a European Ray Hadley clone.

 

 

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[onetrack]

Eightyknots, all the evidence has been gathered and examined, and the aircraft partly reconstructed from the available wreckage. It has all been studied by experts in all their varying fields.

The investigating authorities also have transcripts of radio and phone calls from Ukrainian security forces, between the parties involved (who have been precisely identified), discussing how they had shot down an airliner, expecting it to be a Ukrainian AN-26.

The discussion transcripts reveal the Russian commander cursing when his operatives reported bodies of women and children from the crash - and how the Russian complained that the Malaysia flight, "Should not have been flying! There's a war on!" 

 

https://www.businessinsider.com/ukraine-militants-mh17-transcript-2014-7

 

The journalist collected fragments of the BUK missile, simply because he was there and he was curious. The Dutch investigators could not gain access to the crash site, because it was in a war zone, and the crash investigators security could be guaranteed. It took some time for the Dutch crash investigators to gain access to the site and to try and secure it - by which time, many items were missing.

 

https://libraryonline.erau.edu/online-full-text/ntsb/miscellaneous-reports/mh17-crash-en.pdf

 

And here is the full 2020 Dutch court trial transcript of the "alternative scenarios" for the MH17 crash investigation.

 

https://www.prosecutionservice.nl/topics/mh17-plane-crash/prosecution-and-trial/court-sessions-june-2020/alternative-scenarios

 

Edited November 19, 2022 by onetrack

[Methusala]

By which time any evidentiary value of the crash site had been completely and irretrievably destroyed. Ergo, any story is as good as another. Hogwash.

 

 

Edited November 19, 2022 by Methusala

[danny_galaga]

On 26/10/2022 at 11:38 AM, NT5224 said:

 

My first thought is what a waste! (These are one shot weapons right?)

Just in case this wasn't covered in this thread, the 912 powered drones are full sized multi use, indefinite use machines. Think of them as a pilotless reconnaissance/missile platform fighter/bomber. To see what they are about, watch the movie Eye in the Sky. 

 

Anyway, just like any aircraft they are designed to fly thousands of times. This is why the engine thieves are quite discerning and only steal new/low hours engines. On condition? Fahgeddabouddit!

 

https://youtu.be/dPFTkvxBpow

 

Edited November 20, 2022 by danny_galaga

[facthunter]

There's Chinese copies isn't there? Why is it we are even bothered to talk about it.? Worrying about Bl@@dy engines being blown up when lives are expendable.  That's what matters. Nev

[440032]

On 30/10/2022 at 7:35 PM, BrendAn said:

Do you know some arms traders

I recently had a T-Rex try sell me a crate of AK47s. I think he was a small arms dealer........

[eightyknots]

2 hours ago, 440032 said:

I recently had a T-Rex try sell me a crate of AK47s. I think he was a small arms dealer........

Did you ask if there was a warranty with them?

[pmccarthy]

On 21/11/2022 at 7:15 AM, 440032 said:

I recently had a T-Rex try sell me a crate of AK47s. I think he was a small arms dealer........

They are now called AKMs. I think he was a bit of a dinosaur.

[Old Koreelah]

PM, just watching that hairy Greek bloke on Auntie: Gardening Oz is showing the Kyneton Dafodil Festival. Were you one of those blokes in costume?

[pmccarthy]

No, but I put the dill in daffodil.

[facthunter]

You have Dill Pickles in the USA. Sort of a "Gerkin". in vinegar.  I suppose you'd have to be a dill if you were always in a Pickle.  Nev