Started a spare parts list

[skippydiesel]

1 hour ago, danny_galaga said:

Nope..it's a different design. It doesn't need it.

I stand to be corrected -My knowledge of electronics is virtually zero but I seem to recall that this is how the Rotax  regulator started out only to retrospectively advise the installation of a capacitor after multiple failures?

[Blueadventures]

16 hours ago, Underwood said:

Hello Danny, I just bought a Carmo Reg/rec and notice the wiring diagram omits a capacitor, did you fit one anyway?

Which model number is the one you got and have any others been using them.  Even an image would be great.  Cheers.

[Underwood]

7 hours ago, Blueadventures said:

Which model number is the one you got and have any others been using them.  Even an image would be great.  Cheers.

Hello Blue, its this one... https://www.carmoelectronics.co.uk/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=2276

 

I fitted it yesterday and it is working fine providing a healthy 14.4v whereas the original Ducati Reg/Rec was not giving more than about 13.5v

I've not tried a flight yet (weather is awfull here) but if I encounter any interference then  installing a cap becomes a consideration, though Carmo indicates  its not needed.

 

10 hours ago, danny_galaga said:

Nope..it's a different design. It doesn't need it.

Thanks Danny, so no problems with interference with radio or instruments without one (I use an EFIS for engine monitoring)

Edited December 7, 2024 by Underwood

[danny_galaga]

No interference in taxiing at any rate. I haven't flown with it yet. I think if it needs suppression, it's all ready built in. Like most things automotive. 

 

The capacitor on the other regulator seems to me to be a kludge. I feel the Ducati reg/rec is just not very well designed, and of course it's designed for motorcycles, where radio suppression isn't as critical. It must need some you'd think because otherwise you are causing interference in people's cars and houses as you pass.

 

There are some avionics guys here who can elaborate on the more technical matters, but the upshot is the Dutch reg/reg was designed for aircraft and so doesn't need the external capacitor. PLUS as you noticed, needs less wires. AND can't drain your battery just sitting there 🙂

 

It's the only aftermarket parts I've bought so far that was probably MORE expensive than the original. But well worth it just for the simpler and more efficient operation 😊

 

 

 

[skippydiesel]

Hi Danny,

 

Would be great if one of the electronics guru's would participate because I am just winging it - the capacitor may have an electronic noise suppression function (I don't know) but its main job is to smooth/take any"spikes" out of the charging system. 

[3rd harmonic]

Most of these permanent magnet alternators which are found on motorcycles and aero engine are a shunt type regulator. Essentially the control element 'shunts' current to ground to hold the voltage down as the output increases with RPM. A capacitor is a good idea on the output as this will tend to bypass any switching noise or spikes to ground, rather than relying on the battery which may not be effective. However large electrolytic's offen have a fairly low self-resonant frequency that may be only a 400-500Hz, above which the capacitor is behaves like an inductor. To ensure the capacitor remains capacitive a 1uf polypropylene film cap can be used to bypass the electrolytics....

A large filter capacitor means the alternator can effectively run the electrical loads without a battery connected.

Edited December 8, 2024 by 3rd harmonic
Extra info

[Moneybox]

It was nice of the Czechoslovakians to hold off and deliver my engine mounts for Christmas  😁

 

[skippydiesel]

For people looking for 17mm coolant hose alternative to RoTax;

 

I have no experince with Mackay however they have a good reputation. Catalogue Section 3 Pages 42-44

 

https://www.westernfilters.net.au/content/pdfs/mackay_HosePics_2014.pdf?srsltid=AfmBOopBWYE-XWZDeYC4lUVzsbvP9OrGpbFbRoOdLBcNEMsFavPgQKfc

 

Most  are pre formed, so you will have to match/cut where necessary (PN CH4195 seems to be the only straight).

 

FYI Some 16mm ID may fit .

 

Gates PN 19489, 19488, 19497, 19498, 19545 may also fit. All pre-formed with 16mm (0.66") ID, Meet SAE 20R3 Type EC Class D1&D2,  -40C to +135C

 

NOTE:

• Make sure that any hose you intend to purchase meets/exceeds Rotax specifications

[turboplanner]

On 10/09/2024 at 12:03 PM, spacesailor said:

" regional parts " ,

I needed a Holden part , it comes from Brisbane somewhere. 

As I'm heading north from Sydney,  no problem. 

Get to Brisbane,  only to be told , it comes from Perth .

I eventually broke down,  solely due to  regional parts .

Luckily for me , the Indian mechanic knew the tricks & got that common part .

From , China .

spacesailor

 You were a moving target for the GM system. You needed a part now, but the dealer parts guy was trying to help you offering to get one from another dealer or State warehouse. If you had asked the dealer to get the Brisbane dealer to put the part on Hold for you it would have been held for you to pick up on arrival. 

[IBob]

Rubber replacement here.
I have the ICP SS oil and coolant lines, which require short hose terminations.
Am currently trying to source Gates 8GTH here in NZ, it looks like a good fit for the oil. As suggested at the start of this thread, so thanks for that.
Does anyone have a recommendation for the coolant, which requires similar short straight bits of 25mm hose?
 

[skippydiesel]

"ICP SS oil and coolant lines"

Is this the corrugated stainless hose?

 

"Does anyone have a recommendation for the coolant, which requires similar short straight bits of 25mm hose?"

 

Any Gates 25mm ID radiator hose can be used - just price the cheapest & cut to length.

 

If you want "rubber" hose the whole way, Gates make 25mm ID radiator hose, with 90 degree bend, in two diffrent lengths.

 

All of the required info. can be found in this thread.😈

[IBob]

Thanks Skippy. Yep, I was being a bit lazy..........but am also finding only a small subset of Gates products routinely stocked in NZ. For instance, Repco here have never heard of 8GTH, I have emailed Gates asking where I may get it.

[skippydiesel]

2 hours ago, IBob said:

Thanks Skippy. Yep, I was being a bit lazy..........but am also finding only a small subset of Gates products routinely stocked in NZ. For instance, Repco here have never heard of 8GTH, I have emailed Gates asking where I may get it.

Repco Australia only stock those Gates products deemed to have automotive applications - they do not stock 8GHT hydraulic oil hose.

8GHT hydraulic oil hose, can be had from a hydraulic service company called Hydrolink (there may be others)😈

 

[Marty_d]

4 hours ago, IBob said:

Thanks Skippy. Yep, I was being a bit lazy..........but am also finding only a small subset of Gates products routinely stocked in NZ. For instance, Repco here have never heard of 8GTH, I have emailed Gates asking where I may get it.

Hi Bob, I got my 8GTH from Hardy Spicer. 

They may have a NZ presence under "Spicer" - not sure if it's the same company or not.

[Moneybox]

I got mine from Mako Services in Busselton, a forklift maintenance business.

[Thruster88]

4 hours ago, IBob said:

Thanks Skippy. Yep, I was being a bit lazy..........but am also finding only a small subset of Gates products routinely stocked in NZ. For instance, Repco here have never heard of 8GTH, I have emailed Gates asking where I may get it.

Since you are a kiwi Enzed hydraulics should have it

[facthunter]

Like the Mako's in the Lagoon at Cocos Island?  Nev

[BrendAn]

On 23/12/2024 at 4:22 PM, skippydiesel said:

For people looking for 17mm coolant hose alternative to RoTax;

 

I have no experince with Mackay however they have a good reputation. Catalogue Section 3 Pages 42-44

 

https://www.westernfilters.net.au/content/pdfs/mackay_HosePics_2014.pdf?srsltid=AfmBOopBWYE-XWZDeYC4lUVzsbvP9OrGpbFbRoOdLBcNEMsFavPgQKfc

 

Most  are pre formed, so you will have to match/cut where necessary (PN CH4195 seems to be the only straight).

 

FYI Some 16mm ID may fit .

 

Gates PN 19489, 19488, 19497, 19498, 19545 may also fit. All pre-formed with 16mm (0.66") ID, Meet SAE 20R3 Type EC Class D1&D2,  -40C to +135C

 

NOTE:

• Make sure that any hose you intend to purchase meets/exceeds Rotax specifications

do not push 5/8 hose over a 17mm barb. the hose will be weakened.

[BrendAn]

if anyone wants some mackay 17.5mm hose just pay the postage and i can send u some. i have about 40 mt left. i only needed 2 meters and bought a 50 meter roll.   isuzu wanted $800 for a 600mm long hose, thats how i ended up buying the large roll.

[facthunter]

16 MM is very close, to 5/8"  Nev

[BrendAn]

1 minute ago, facthunter said:

16 MM is very close, to 5/8"  Nev

exactly, most heater hose is 5/8, slightly smaller  than 16mm for memory. probably can push it onto a 17mm barb but it stretchs the hose wall at the tip of the fitting.

[facthunter]

Yes . it's just over 1 mm out. 1MM = .3937"Inches. Nev

[Area-51]

28 minutes ago, facthunter said:

Yes . it's just over 1 mm out. 1MM = .3937"Inches. Nev

Thats not correct... 1mm = 0.039" 🤓

[spacesailor]

O, dear .

spacesailor

[facthunter]

Yes it's 39.37 thou.  Nev