CASA giveth, and CASA taketh away - Basic Class 2 Medical

[Ironpot]

Class 2 turned around in less than 2 working days!

 

Well done CASA! 
 

Credit paid where credit due

[old man emu]

I happened to pick up a copy of Australian Flying today and read a piece by Senator Bridget McKenzie regarding the Aviation White Paper that's being kicked around at the moment.

 

I've stated my gripe with CASA about reneging on the Basic Class 2 Medical by saying that anyone with sleep apnoea can't get a Basic Class 2, which is supposedly based on the National Heavy Vehicle Driver's standard. I figured that it would be the waste of a stamp to write to CASA, but I note that Senator McKenzie is the Minister Assisting the Shadow Minister for Transport. I think I might put my case to her, just to have someone take a poke at the Government about this reneging. I had thought to write to Paulie Hanson as well. At least she knows what it is like to fly in a Jabiru.

[Kyle Communications]

Go to facebook and look up AOPA Australia..look at te last 3 videos Ben Morgan has done..watch the first one done 3 days ago then the next a day ago and the last one today. ....Its a eye opener especially the guy with the foxbat in RAA and has a defib

 

[turboplanner]

9 hours ago, old man emu said:

I happened to pick up a copy of Australian Flying today and read a piece by Senator Bridget McKenzie regarding the Aviation White Paper that's being kicked around at the moment.

 

I've stated my gripe with CASA about reneging on the Basic Class 2 Medical by saying that anyone with sleep apnoea can't get a Basic Class 2, which is supposedly based on the National Heavy Vehicle Driver's standard. I figured that it would be the waste of a stamp to write to CASA, but I note that Senator McKenzie is the Minister Assisting the Shadow Minister for Transport. I think I might put my case to her, just to have someone take a poke at the Government about this reneging. I had thought to write to Paulie Hanson as well. At least she knows what it is like to fly in a Jabiru.

The Basic Class 2, as we found previously is a welcome fast track for young people who have no medical issues.

The Class 2  available, for someone with medical issues, and in the above post was turned around in 2 days.

 

Where NHVR came into it social media posters claiming it was  "equivalent to the Unconditional Commercial Driver's Licence" 

 

When you go through the requirements for the Unconditional Drivers Licence (as against the Car Licence, and the scale of truck licences) you find that to make the peak licence is not as easy as it has been described.

 

There's been no inference that if you have an NHVR licence you should qualify for a Basic Class 2 or vice versa.

 

 

[old man emu]

2 hours ago, turboplanner said:

The Class 2  available, ... , and in the above post was turned around in 2 days.

 

It may have been dealt with by CASA administration in two days' time for the paperwork. That's not the point. It still required the applicant to obtain a medical examination with a DAME.

 

I can take this same old, decrepit carcase of mine, for which the only condition that has been diagnosed by specialist examination is its tendency to stop inhaling whilst asleep, and which tendency is stopped by the throat being subjected to constant positive air pressure to a DAME who does not know me and be found to meet the standards for a Class 2. However, I can't take the same carcase to the GP who has been monitoring my health for years, and who annually examines me for both a HV licence and a Public Passenger Vehicle Driver's Authority and be found to have not apparent health issues that would prevent the issue of a Basic Class 2, if CASA was intelligent enough to admit that even young people who have no (apparent) medical issues sometimes drop dead from causes not discovered until a post mortem is conducted.

[robinsm]

hence the temptation to be less than forthright with answers to questions.   I was knocked back a few tears ago becaquse of one minor incident 15 years in tghe past that had nothing to do with fitness to fly.   Didnt bother after that, no point.   Stayed with RAA.   

 

[turboplanner]

15 minutes ago, old man emu said:

It may have been dealt with by CASA administration in two days' time for the paperwork. That's not the point. It still required the applicant to obtain a medical examination with a DAME.

 

I can take this same old, decrepit carcase of mine, for which the only condition that has been diagnosed by specialist examination is its tendency to stop inhaling whilst asleep, and which tendency is stopped by the throat being subjected to constant positive air pressure to a DAME who does not know me and be found to meet the standards for a Class 2. However, I can't take the same carcase to the GP who has been monitoring my health for years, and who annually examines me for both a HV licence and a Public Passenger Vehicle Driver's Authority and be found to have not apparent health issues that would prevent the issue of a Basic Class 2, if CASA was intelligent enough to admit that even young people who have no (apparent) medical issues sometimes drop dead from causes not discovered until a post mortem is conducted.

And you know that in your former profession if I was driving  through a roadworks site on Christmas day at 80 km/hr and was a logical person quite able to understand that the workers had knocked off the day before but forgot to take their 40 km speed limit signs down and that the road was safe for normal speeds, you would still be obligated to charge me with driving through a roadworks site at twice the speed limit.

 

Where you have to be processed by a DAME you have to be processed by a Dame and he is the one authorised to make the decision. If you have Mygov data and you authorise him/her to access it or if you authorise him/her to contact your GP, then he take the GP's glowing report into account, applies the required CASA standards to it and with almost no delay you are through.

 

 

 

 

 

[old man emu]

3 hours ago, turboplanner said:

you would still be obligated

Sorry. You're way off the mark with that. A constable is under no obligation to initiate a prosecution. A constable has the discretionary power to decide if something warrants being reported to a Court, or, in Rugby League terminology, is only worthy of a "caution on the run". 

 

If a constable decided to stop you, then the most appropriate next action would be to ask the driver to keep to the speed limit in future. There is nothing to stop the constable agreeing with the driver that leaving the temporary speed zone signs in place is a PITA, but the reduced speed limit would have been done with the same legal authority that had set the speed limit applicable before the roadworks were started.

 

Let us assume that the section of road was in a suitable condition to sustain traffic speeds of 80 kph, and the applicable speed limit was normally 80 kph. If you claim to be a logical person who realised that your driving was not unsafe, why not apply the same assessment of logical thinking to the constable?

 

Unfortunately, constables are under so much scrutiny because, in the mind of the Public, as soon as one puts on a blue suit, an angel of the Lord becomes as corrupt as the picture of Dorian Gray. How does the constable know that you are not from Police Integrity Unit, out to find the slightest fault. You have to remember that a constable is always guilty of any complaint. The dismissal of a complaint due to sufficient proof isn't the English "Not Guilty", but the Scottish "Not Proven".

[facthunter]

Thank Dog for the Scots.   Nev

[old man emu]

2 minutes ago, facthunter said:

Thank Dog for the Scots.   Nev

Hardly. Throw enough mud and you'll soon get a dirty wall, and it's not the wall's doing.

[facthunter]

Mud thrown is ground lost they say, also.  Nev

[turboplanner]

1 hour ago, old man emu said:

Sorry. You're way off the mark with that. A constable is under no obligation to initiate a prosecution. A constable has the discretionary power to decide if something warrants being reported to a Court, or, in Rugby League terminology, is only worthy of a "caution on the run". 

 

If a constable decided to stop you, then the most appropriate next action would be to ask the driver to keep to the speed limit in future. There is nothing to stop the constable agreeing with the driver that leaving the temporary speed zone signs in place is a PITA, but the reduced speed limit would have been done with the same legal authority that had set the speed limit applicable before the roadworks were started.

 

Let us assume that the section of road was in a suitable condition to sustain traffic speeds of 80 kph, and the applicable speed limit was normally 80 kph. If you claim to be a logical person who realised that your driving was not unsafe, why not apply the same assessment of logical thinking to the constable?

 

Unfortunately, constables are under so much scrutiny because, in the mind of the Public, as soon as one puts on a blue suit, an angel of the Lord becomes as corrupt as the picture of Dorian Gray. How does the constable know that you are not from Police Integrity Unit, out to find the slightest fault. You have to remember that a constable is always guilty of any complaint. The dismissal of a complaint due to sufficient proof isn't the English "Not Guilty", but the Scottish "Not Proven".

Interesting, it happened to a long distance truck driver in NSW this year and I think double demerits applied, but maybe he did something that triggered the fine and wasn't prepared to make that public.

[old man emu]

There's always three sides to a story, his version, the other bloke's version, and the truth.

[facthunter]

THAT's not a definite.   It may be common.  Nev

[turboplanner]

3 minutes ago, old man emu said:

There's always three sides to a story, his version, the other bloke's version, and the truth.

Yes, I pulled the car and caravan into the BP Goondiwindi late one afternoon. There was a Mack B Double cattle truck parked next to me. After refueling, being interested in truck design I was looking at the kelpie in the dog box and trying to work out how the designer allowed the breeze in but kept the dust out, when the truckie came out and saw me, saw the caravan and before he could speak, I said "Nice dog"

His eyes had that big round look and he said "He's the best one I've ever had; the lights went out one night so I got him out of the dog box, sat him on the mudgard and told him to hold the torch in his mouth." I said "REALLY!" with an amazed look, and off we went on our separate ways.

 

[facthunter]

HE probably says that to ALL Caravan pulling drivers who admire his dog. Nev

[turboplanner]

1 hour ago, facthunter said:

HE probably says that to ALL Caravan pulling drivers who admire his dog. Nev

I suspect he does. I walked away with a better design for a dog box.

 

[Bernie]

15 hours ago, turboplanner said:

Interesting, it happened to a long distance truck driver in NSW this year and I think double demerits applied, but maybe he did something that triggered the fine and wasn't prepared to make that public.

I have heard that his company is taking it to court, apparently there was no restrictions coming the other way...signs weren't taken down.

Bernie.

[turboplanner]

15 minutes ago, Bernie said:

I have heard that his company is taking it to court, apparently there was no restrictions coming the other way...signs weren't taken down.

Bernie.

I'd be very interested in seeing the end result of that one.

Another thing I think is unfair on long distance truck drivers is that each year they travel about 5 times the distance as the average car drivers yet their demerit points are the same, and any court case for traffic infringement is the same.

[spacesailor]

Not quite right.

Truckies often run red lights,  but , do Not get fined . ( 0.04 second for me $ 480 fine ).

Only those hidden camera's get them .

Discresion by they police for ' Profesional drivers ' .

Was the reason

spacesailor

 

 

[facthunter]

In VIC it's ONLY $100 a second. so you're being spivved.. Don't come South though. It's horrible here (everyone in Sydney will tell you that) and we're FULL already.  Nev

[Ironpot]

Here ya go:

 

https://updates.communication.casa.gov.au/link/id/zzzz64acda089689b365Pzzzz5f2e76733deac091/page.html

 

 

I did the last one. I can thoroughly recommend it if you have time.  It’s good to hear their version of events too.

 

[Kyle Communications]

I just registered for it...I want to hear what they say and I am going to hit them up with some real world facts and see what they say

[RFguy]

anyone wondering

go to the CASA myCASA portal, log in, go to medical, and there you start the process. you fill in your GP name and details and you get a partially filled in 11 pages to take to your GP  that does the same examination as a Heavy Vehicle License test, tick the boxes, fill in a few things. If it is "unconditional" then you just say yeah I am unconditional and the class 2 basic med certificate is generated on the spot and you are done....

[Kyle Communications]

Glen thats easy yes. But I have a Heavy vehicle licence with conditions. Yet I can drive a 64 tonne BDouble through a major city but they say I cant fly any aircraft with 1 pax up to 1500kg. I have a full dual timeslot medical every year from my GP to satisfy the Austroads licence to maintain my heavy vehicle licence AND I have a yearly appointment with a cardiologist and usually a cardiac echo or like last year a stress test and as a matter of fact I am having a cardiac perfusion test this thursday. Realistically I have a far better idea on how I am going than most people flying rec or even VH rec aircraft. Most never know what their bodies are like and what condition. They could drop dead at a pinch and some do. All this costs me about $1000 per year..yet I cant fly a aircraft up to 1500kg and 1 pax according to CASA

 

My DAME signed me off for a Basic Class 2 a few of years ago as he was happy with all my blood tests and also all my results of my ticker. I need to go back and see if I can get it again as it has lapsed but I am hearing CASA would reject it even though it is the DAME's decision