Fuel Tax

[old man emu]

3 hours ago, skippydiesel said:

The Police do not have the luxury of exercising judgement and may face censure if found to be doing so.

My greatest hate was in dealing with alleged domestic violence. A blind man could see that half the crap you were told was  childish. But the rule was that you had to take action. The result of that action? She's calling you a bastard for taking her meal ticket away. Try to get her into Court to repeat what she told you" Pigs might fly!. 

 

Use your common sense and tell the couple to grow up, but not arrest, charge and slap the bloke with an Order and the Domestic Violence Officer hauls you into her office (she's never seen on the street, except to get her morning coffee from the cafe down the road) and reads the Riot Act and threatens disciplinary action against you. Forgetting all the time that if you arrest a person and bring a charge before the Court which fails due to the non-appearance of the witness, you, not the Police Force, are personally liable to have the arrested person's costs awarded against you and might even be charged with making an unlawful arrest. 

 

At least in NSW, a person holding the Office of Constable, is an independent agent of the Crown. No other person can order you to commence criminal proceedings against another person. Note the difference between the powers of a NSW constable and an Officer of the Law in the USA. Notice how they are portrayed asking a victim if the victim wants a person charged.  

[Old Koreelah]

On 12/5/2023 at 12:27 PM, onetrack said:

He fought them relentlessly through every avenue available to him, ending up in the Administrative Appeals Tribunal - spending $300,000 on legal advice in the process. The AAT simply rubber-stamped the ATO's decision and he had to repay the $800,000. This bankrupted him.

The AAT has been used by the LNP as a lucrative retirement home for their failed mates:

 

The government's ransacking of the AAT is shocking. Where's the media?

WWW.CRIKEY.COM.AU

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The Coalition has again stacked the highly-paid, quasi-judicial review body with its mates, on the eve of the election.

 

Mark Dreyfus says AAT has ‘unacceptable’ record on bullying and condemns appointment process | Australian politics | The Guardian

WWW.THEGUARDIAN.COM

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Attorney general says Liberal party should be ‘tarnished forever’ over appointments to administrative appeals tribunal

 

 

[old man emu]

Mistrust of a Nation's political leadership is the spark that has ignited so many revolutions in which real blood has been spilled. The more that is exposed, the more the mistrust grows. Acts like stacking an important body like the AAT in blatantly biased ways reeks of treasonous behaviour. However that use of the word "treasonous" is more emotional than factual since treason can only be committed by physically harming in various degrees the Sovereign, the Sovereign's family, the G-G or the Prime Minister, or by waging or aiding the waging of war or hostilities against the Commonwealth. But its use here suits the tone of teh post.

 

At the moment there seems to be a song and dance going on about banning Neo-Nazi groups. But those groups are too far on the fringe ever to gain power in a post-Hitler world. However, we are suffering from so many immoral acts committed by powerful Right Wing parties that one might consider banning them also. I will agree that the Left Wing's halo is tarnished as well, but that side of politics appears to have confessed its sins and set out on the path to reformation. 

[turboplanner]

On 12/05/2023 at 9:20 AM, skippydiesel said:

Has anyone tried to claim back the  road tax (47.7%) component of their fuel cost?

 

Could be urban myth but I understand that if the fuel is to be used for an off (public) road purpose, the road tax can be claimed back.

The short answer is if you are involved with Agriculture or the Transport Industry, or anything else for that matter, contact the ATO.

 

[skippydiesel]

1 hour ago, old man emu said:

Mistrust of a Nation's political leadership is the spark that has ignited so many revolutions in which real blood has been spilled. The more that is exposed, the more the mistrust grows. Acts like stacking an important body like the AAT in blatantly biased ways reeks of treasonous behaviour. However that use of the word "treasonous" is more emotional than factual since treason can only be committed by physically harming in various degrees the Sovereign, the Sovereign's family, the G-G or the Prime Minister, or by waging or aiding the waging of war or hostilities against the Commonwealth. But its use here suits the tone of teh post.

 

At the moment there seems to be a song and dance going on about banning Neo-Nazi groups. But those groups are too far on the fringe ever to gain power in a post-Hitler world. However, we are suffering from so many immoral acts committed by powerful Right Wing parties that one might consider banning them also. I will agree that the Left Wing's halo is tarnished as well, but that side of politics appears to have confessed its sins and set out on the path to reformation. 

If we didn't mistrust (with good reason) our political masters, we would not need to have  elections - they could just stay in the job for life, doing all the good works for our benefit.

 

In reality power corrupts. Well illustrated by the Australian democratic system, where the party in power tends to stay in position for several electoral cycles, by the last session(s) all sorts of rorts are being, almost openly, committed. So unethical do some politicians, get they gaze unblinkingly into the TV camera and state, without apparent guile,   that their completely unethical act,  is not actually forbidden  ipso facto, approved??????

 

The far right and the far left, are brothers in hatred. Even if derived from supposedly different perspectives, more often than not having similar manifestos. Never forget, the German Nazi party (far right), was just a small band of rabid fringe dwellers, who tapped into (right time & place) an economic and social depression as well as a commonly held urban myth (Jewish economic World domination) and the popular notion of Eugenics (racial purity). Communism (far left) the extreme expression of socialism, is just as bad and probably responsible for even more  genocide/repression than the Nazi's.

[Old Koreelah]

12 minutes ago, skippydiesel said:

The far right and the far left, are brothers in hatred…

Not always, Skip. Quite often our politicians have a cordial relationship with their opponents; the current NSW Premier and his predecessor are good examples.

It’s often members of their own party they despise, but have to work with. The ALP, the LNP, the Greens, Shooters, One Nation… all have a long history of internal fueding and backstabbing.

[Carbon Canary]

To seek high public office demands a particular kind of personality regardless of the political persuasion.

 

Now, about that fuel tax……….

[facthunter]

The GREENS are pretty good at imploding and they are now doing the IF "WE DON'T GET EVERYTHING "they"  get nothing TRICK. I can't see myself EVER voting for them now. IT's OVER as far as I'm concerned.  Fancy voting WITH DUTTON.. The MOB that hates them with a vengeance. Nev

[skippydiesel]

3 minutes ago, Carbon Canary said:

To seek high public office demands a particular kind of personality regardless of the political persuasion.

 

Now, about that fuel tax……….

Prerequisite for (most) aspiring to high office - A conviction that, somehow you have been selected to lead the the great unwashed (us).

Now in my dotage, I  have observed that my view (not unique) holds good, for almost all leaders, no matter the organisation, be it religious, political or business.

Such leaders are, unsurprisingly, given to aggressive  displays of power, the changing of laws to suit their agendas, secrecy, unethical (even if not expressly illegal) activates.

For the most part they rise to power over the bodies (literal/& figurative) of their colleagues.

That this should to be the case, demonstrates that we as a species, have not evolved beyond the small tribal groups of our past, where we need to have a strong (sociopath) leader for our protection. 

I am saddened by our inability to select leaders, who do not behave in this way.

[facthunter]

The ones you have to choose from are very limited by the preselection Process. A neocon group will be selected by the Larger capitalists and Merdey's media and various church groups have the stated  aim of infiltrating and exerting control of  the same group."LIBERAL" in Australia is not Liberal. In the USA Liberal means Democrat. In the Senate the PARTY chooses the candidates and depending on the strength of the Parties Vote they achieve, a certain number in the order the Party has decided get appointed.  The SENATE is not particularly Democratic at all in the way you get there.  Nev

[skippydiesel]

Nev, my friend - leaders of all persuasions are selected by their peer group, as potential winners. A winner is someone who will support/further their agenda.

 

The agenda is the list of needs/wants of the people (plus some self serving likely hidden agendas), as perceived by the peer group,  who will  provide sufficient support for the party/group to gain power.

 

Ultimately it is we (even in a dictatorship) who provide the environment, that the selection group (party, club, military, etc) responds too.

 

We need to take responsibility for selecting our leaders.

[Blueadventures]

1 hour ago, Old Koreelah said:

Not always, Skip. Quite often our politicians have a cordial relationship with their opponents; the current NSW Premier and his predecessor are good examples.

It’s often members of their own party they despise, but have to work with. The ALP, the LNP, the Greens, Shooters, One Nation… all have a long history of internal fueding and backstabbing.

Most members are the sacrificial ego for the public to see; it's the boards behind that pull their puppet strings for the party line.  Agree most respect their opposition behind the fronts.

[turboplanner]

16 hours ago, Blueadventures said:

Most members are the sacrificial ego for the public to see; it's the boards behind that pull their puppet strings for the party line.  Agree most respect their opposition behind the fronts.

So the members throughout Australia who hold meetings and develop policies play no part in the parliamentary process?

[facthunter]

Since you ask , probably not. Lobbyists and those with large money donations and favours (Like Murdoch's news. the Australian Christian lobby the IPA etc) are way ahead of the  wishes of the average party member or ordinary Australian. To some extent the greens MAY work the way you suggest but easily end up all over the Place  with internal issues and unrealistic demands.   Nev

[turboplanner]

2 hours ago, facthunter said:

Since you ask , probably not. Lobbyists and those with large money donations and favours (Like Murdoch's news. the Australian Christian lobby the IPA etc) are way ahead of the  wishes of the average party member or ordinary Australian. To some extent the greens MAY work the way you suggest but easily end up all over the Place  with internal issues and unrealistic demands.   Nev

That might be the way that the Communist Party operates, but not the two major Parties or the Greens.

[facthunter]

I've seen some irrelevant comments but that one takes the cake. How did the communist party get into this? I though I made a worthwhile reply to yours and It wasn't critical. .  Nev

[skippydiesel]

Nev-  It seems to me that our supposedly secular Governments, are in fact wide open to lobbying by most of the mainstream  "faiths" - even the extreme expressions of the "faiths" have the ear of Gov -  Opus Dei, AIJAC, Hillsong, etc.

 

NSW last Premier D Perrottet is an alumni of an Opus Dei backed/run school, as were some of his cabinet. Opus Dei is an extremist catholic cult who's schools are used to indoctrinate children and who groom/underwrite members to enter politics, etc.

The hasty departure, of one podophile Headmistress, Malka Leifer, from Australia, would seem to have been facilitated by the schools governing Synagogue Elders, if not directly by the AIJAC - criminal charges of aiding an abetting a criminal act have not made against anyone involved.

Hillsong founder, pedophile, the late, Frank Houston and his son Brian (who covered up his father activates), good mates of Scumo,  seem to have pretty much got away with their fortunes intact ((Brian is facing charges but its all gone quiet).