Helmets that fit headseats underneath

[Pat]

For lack of a better category, posting this here.
Is there a helmet that is suitable for flying that allows wearing typical headsets underneath (i.e. the headset is not fixed integrated into the helmet)? 

Thank you!

[turboplanner]

10 hours ago, Pat said:

For lack of a better category, posting this here.
Is there a helmet that is suitable for flying that allows wearing typical headsets underneath (i.e. the headset is not fixed integrated into the helmet)? 

Thank you!

Problem is any object inside the helmet shell becomes embedded in your skull. Same with objects on the outside like cameras. There was a NASCAR crash a few years ago, looked fairly routine, but the car had a camera mounted in the roll cage and it took more than 7 hours to get him out. Specialist brain surgeons were called and operated on him to extract the camera.

[skippydiesel]

Just Google Aviation Helmets - quite a few different concepts - one may suit you.

[Pat]

Any lesser known brands out there besides the usual (expensive) suspects? 

[skippydiesel]

 

$71 - I guess it depends on your budget

 

https://www.smiffys.com.au/products/top-gun-deluxe-helmet?currency=AUD&variant=31867417067581&utm_medium=cpc&utm_source=google&utm_campaign=Google Shopping&gad=1&gclid=Cj0KCQjw98ujBhCgARIsAD7QeAi7-F3WUuGQEBs-MsnxgXoFQ-Lh_aVtjJ-2x2OLHRA4xKuVd4EtwO4aAhDtEALw_wcB

 

$795 for DC's - last quote I had for DC headset was about $1800

https://www.flightstore.com.au/david-clark-k10-helmet-kit?gclid=Cj0KCQjw98ujBhCgARIsAD7QeAgmY7ym1z4dW1SAstix4fdFoLHQVu1MU1pXOWl8pr6gW8JPgvMbGb4aAoluEALw_wcB

 

 

[Old Koreelah]

Pat if you have limited means and some skills, build your own. I bolted my DC headset to a fibreglass bicycle helmet.

[Pat]

8 hours ago, Old Koreelah said:

Pat if you have limited means and some skills, build your own. I bolted my DC headset to a fibreglass bicycle helmet.

Interesting, do you have some pictures or a build log? Thanks

[Old Koreelah]

Sure anyone could improve on my ruff-as-gutz workmanship. The box mounted behind holds the noise-cancelling unit.

 

Also in the pic is my pair of flying gloves; on the advice of an old Aggie mate, I wear them religiously, with two fingers cut off for iPad use, etc.

[skippydiesel]

Tell us about the fingerless gloves ???

[Pat]

On 28/5/2023 at 2:29 AM, turboplanner said:

Problem is any object inside the helmet shell becomes embedded in your skull. Same with objects on the outside like cameras. There was a NASCAR crash a few years ago, looked fairly routine, but the car had a camera mounted in the roll cage and it took more than 7 hours to get him out. Specialist brain surgeons were called and operated on him to extract the camera.

Not sure I understand. The camera was mounted in the car. The driver wore a helmet. He hit the camera with the helmet, and it protruded into his brain? Must have been a really crappy helmet? Formula 1 helmets are bullet proof...

[turboplanner]

7 minutes ago, Pat said:

Not sure I understand. The camera was mounted in the car. The driver wore a helmet. He hit the camera with the helmet, and it protruded into his brain? Must have been a really crappy helmet? Formula 1 helmets are bullet proof...

The race car structure is not just based on a helmet; that's component 1.

Component 2 is a roll cage or structure designed to prevent collapse or intrusion towards the driver.

Component 3 is a safety harnes which restrains the driver from coming into any contact with the roll cage/structure.

The helmet then only has to protect against flying objects.

Above a certain G force, even with this in place, a driver can die from the brain hitting the skull in big G Force car impacts, i.e. drivers have died without a mark on them in Toyota Land Cruisers fitted with bull bars due to the sudden stop.

 

You haven't told us what the application is that requires a helmet; just that you want to feel safer in normal operations, or high risk operation such as crop spraying. Aircraft operations are different to race/road cars.

 

There's a very good thread on it on this site if you want to do some searching.

 

 

[facthunter]

Do you need one in your type of plane? Nev

[Pat]

6 minutes ago, turboplanner said:

The race car structure is not just based on a helmet; that's component 1.

Component 2 is a roll cage or structure designed to prevent collapse or intrusion towards the driver.

Component 3 is a safety harnes which restrains the driver from coming into any contact with the roll cage/structure.

The helmet then only has to protect against flying objects.

Above a certain G force, even with this in place, a driver can die from the brain hitting the skull in big G Force car impacts, i.e. drivers have died without a mark on them in Toyota Land Cruisers fitted with bull bars due to the sudden stop.

 

You haven't told us what the application is that requires a helmet; just that you want to feel safer in normal operations, or high risk operation such as crop spraying. Aircraft operations are different to race/road cars.

 

There's a very good thread on it on this site if you want to do some searching.

 

 

Thanks for the explanation, appreciated! I still don't understand how the gopro ended up in the driver's skull? 
Anyway, excellent point raised about objects within the helmet, thank you!

I'll do some searching for the helmet thread. Application is indeed I want to feel safer in normal operations (= in my flying gardenshed ultralight plane). Thank you!

[Old Koreelah]

2 hours ago, skippydiesel said:

Tell us about the fingerless gloves ???

I wanted to look like Steptoe!

Having a couple of fingers free sure helps with iPad, switches, etc.

 

In case of a prang, the leather gloves might reduce injuries while smashing my way out.

 

[skippydiesel]

49 minutes ago, Old Koreelah said:

Iwanted to look like Steptoe!

Having a couple of fingers free sure helps with iPad, switches, etc.

 

In case of a prang, the leather gloves might reduce injuries while smashing my way out.

 

😁I like it but the reverence sure dates you (not that I would know)😆

 

You are supposed to unlatch your cockpit locking mechanism well  befog the "Prang" 

[Old Koreelah]

1 hour ago, skippydiesel said:

You are supposed to unlatch your cockpit locking mechanism well  befog the "Prang" 

Yes, but on impact a forward-sliding canopy will do what it wants. Flipping over is a danger, so my canopy might end up on the ground, unable to slide. Smashing out through the acrylic is my only hope.

[skippydiesel]

35 minutes ago, Old Koreelah said:

Yes, but on impact a forward-sliding canopy will do what it wants. Flipping over is a danger, so my canopy might end up on the ground, unable to slide. Smashing out through the acrylic is my only hope.

Good luck with "Smashing out through the acrylic " Assuming you have suffered no physical damage to ourselves,  you are hanging outside down, in a confined space (cockpit), your ability to exert force/blows on anything at all, will be severely compromised. If you are injured .....................???????-

[facthunter]

That's why I prefer High wing.  Nev

[Old Koreelah]

5 hours ago, skippydiesel said:

Good luck with "Smashing out through the acrylic " Assuming you have suffered no physical damage to ourselves,  you are hanging outside down, in a confined space (cockpit), your ability to exert force/blows on anything at all, will be severely compromised. If you are injured .....................???????-

I actually practiced that when building the beast, but quite a few years later I’m not nearly as good at wriggling through confined spaces.

[spacesailor]

The ' brain hitting the skull , was what dr's have said , would happen a over 80 mph  bikes hitting a wall.

Or 40 mph  in a heading smash , against a 40 mph vehicle. 

 But the mashed brain greymatter will be contained. 

All those years ago ! .

spacesailor

[facthunter]

Your second line is erroneous.  Nev

[spacesailor]

My 40 mph against an oncoming vehicle doing 40 mph .

Headon smash of two vehicles,  both doing the same 40 mph = 80 mph .

Better I hope

[facthunter]

If they are equal velocity and mass they do the same as hitting a brick wall. They go from 40 MPH to zero.  Nev

[rgmwa]

The energy involved in the head-on between two cars colliding at 40 mph is half that of one car travelling at 80 mph. I'd much rather be in the head-on.

[BrendAn]

On 30/05/2023 at 10:45 AM, Pat said:

Thanks for the explanation, appreciated! I still don't understand how the gopro ended up in the driver's skull? 
Anyway, excellent point raised about objects within the helmet, thank you!

I'll do some searching for the helmet thread. Application is indeed I want to feel safer in normal operations (= in my flying gardenshed ultralight plane). Thank you!

i can't help with nascar accidents but microavionics make an excellent microlight flying helmet that slips over a standard headset

not too expensive , i think 8or900 last time i looked. lots of options with visors etc.  mendehlsons in melbourne are agents and do mail order.