My spies tell me Jabiru has been sold

[Litespeed]

20 hours ago, pmccarthy said:

Consider Broome. They run on gas delivered by trucks. Solar will not work for four months of the year. Windmills will not survive a cyclone. Tidal, with the biggest tides in the world, is not environmentally possible. A package nuclear plant would be perfect. They have existed for nearly 70 years in submarines, with no disaster.

 Local solar and wind is entirely possible it must be designed for the conditions and positioned appropriately. Cyclone designs are available for wind systems. 

 

Since when does the sky stay black for four months of the year? It's very cheap to add more cells for shady days, battery storage drops in price constantly as well.

 

How much would it cost for a Broome system, a guess of $1 billion for a system owned by the community and run by the them for a grid stable system that keeps the skills and money locally.

 

How much for a Small Modular Reactor? Assuming you can get one (the biggest developer has just confirmed its program is stopped and not likely to be revived )

 

The expected cost would be $ 5 billion minimum. Plus all skills and maintenance would be contracted out forever to a foreign company. With us owning the legacy waste forever. 

It would also need a large desalination plant for cooling. Human consumption is not a priority, no cooling equals meltdown 😕.

Shit, you can bet we would pay at least a cool $ billion on consultants. No wonder the lobby groups and LNP are dog whistling.

That's Sovereign risk on a massive scale and cost.

 

 

[turboplanner]

56 minutes ago, spacesailor said:

It is a pity they can't be used for  building trusses or spars . 

OR , anything! .

It would be better than the present day. " Burials " . 

spacesailor

The ones I've seen are just laid down in the paddock around the base of the tower.

[LoonyBob]

57 minutes ago, spacesailor said:

It is a pity they can't be used for  building trusses or spars . 

OR , anything! .

It would be better than the present day. " Burials " . 

spacesailor

They are designed by FEM, to optimise their "Hgh-Cycle Fatigue Life"; and for optimum aerodynamic twist. As they are retired from fatigue issues, they are only useable in a non-fatigue environment, such as a compression member on a bridge. However, they are entirely the wrong shape for that - squat and cylindrical is the go!

 

Perhaps they could be chewed up and used as filler for composite beams... but the work on non-cementitious cements (I kid you not!) by Wagner makes that less economically attractive...

[Litespeed]

57 minutes ago, spacesailor said:

It is a pity they can't be used for  building trusses or spars . 

OR , anything! .

It would be better than the present day. " Burials " . 

spacesailor

Actually you're on the ball 🏈.

 

Essentially you just chop into small pieces, no waste and add a small amount of new resins and  heat either forged and/or extruded into parts. So beams should be easy enough. 

This technique can be done very cheaply and with very low potential for pollutants.

 

Transforming into a new product with minimal input is a smart way forward. 

A problem become a profitable solution.

 

If you look up forged carbon you will get the idea.

 

 

[turboplanner]

6 hours ago, facthunter said:

"base load power" is a distraction. It's the peaks we have problems with and sudden changes AND cost. Solar PV is the cheapest by a large Margin. The grid is a major cost and a source of potential unreliability . Nev

Have a look on the AEMO dashboard and you'll see the coal-fired power stations idling at Base-load. As the day gets hot you'll see them start to fire up the boilers and you'll see the renewables stay where they are at their maximum, then as it gets hotter again you'll see SA pulling power from Victoria, Victoria pulling hydro from Tas and Coal-fired from NSW, then as it gets hotter, NSW pulling power from Queensland which by then usually has started to ask the sugar mills to fire up and pulls power from them. On the dashboard you can see ALL the figures for the amount of power being generated by all the available methods, how much each method is generating and the exact amount of power being moved from one state to the next minute by minute. There's no modelling needed, no cute terminology used, no claims being made, you see every form of power generation Australia has, what can fire up and what gets lost in the dust.

[Litespeed]

Strange, I always thought 🤔 on hot days, due to the scorching sun 🌞, solar was cheap and plentiful, when allowed to connect to the grid. 

 

I better find a bucket of salt.

 

[turboplanner]

15 minutes ago, Litespeed said:

Strange, I always thought 🤔 on hot days, due to the scorching sun 🌞, solar was cheap and plentiful, when allowed to connect to the grid. 

 

I better find a bucket of salt.

 

 Solar is sold to the AEMO system and on a hot day you can see it kW x kW contributing to the Easten States Grid it might be cheap but a couple of years ago when we ran out of peak power and 100,000 people lost their power in Melbourne solar and wind were producing just 1% of the power generation mix.

[Litespeed]

What about the grid and coal plant failures, some taking months to get old parts?

 

A much bigger problem 

[turboplanner]

49 minutes ago, Litespeed said:

What about the grid and coal plant failures, some taking months to get old parts?

 

A much bigger problem 

The Coal-fired Plants, and Tas Hydro carried the 99% of Peak demand that day, with, from memory two turbines down for maintenance in the Latrobe Valley.

[Litespeed]

I was talking generally not just one incident.

[FlyBoy1960]

Why do you need fresh water for cooling ?   Whats wrog with ocean water ?

[spacesailor]

Sea water is corrosive. The boiler pipes are short lived with the cleanest of water .

 

And what happens to the grid when solar flares hit us hard ,

' as they seem to be increasing in strength ' , or is that " properganda .

spacesailor 

[FlyBoy1960]

18 minutes ago, spacesailor said:

And what happens to the grid when solar flares hit us hard ,

' as they seem to be increasing in strength ' , or is that " properganda .

spacesailor 

With only 200-300 years of "semi-accurate" climate records, and maybe 50 years of accurate climate records, for a planet thats billions of years old, who really knows what the typical climate should be/is ?

 

We just don't really know if a few hot years following an ice age is normal.   

 

Just a personal opinion/observation not a researched scientific opinion.

[spacesailor]

OR

Perhaps the ' normal ' is hotter than the historians thought. 

Before the " snowball Earth " when giant reptilian creatures were ' top preditor ' .

The Earth must have been " hot & lush " for All  the " coal " that was laid down .

spacesailor

 

 

 

[BrendAn]

7 hours ago, Litespeed said:

 

I think I now understand, you don't worry about the consequences of your choices as long as it fits your comfortable world view.

 

Beliefs are not facts or science.

 

 

nuclear is the answer

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Home / Information Library / Current and Future Generation / Plans For New Reactors Worldwide

Plans For New Reactors Worldwide

(Updated November 2023)

• About 60 reactors are under construction across the world. A further 110 are planned.
• Most reactors under construction or planned are in Asia.
• New plants coming online in recent years have largely been balanced by old plants being retired. Over the past 20 years, 108 reactors were retired as 97 started operation.

Today there are about 440 nuclear power reactors operating in 32 countries plus Taiwan, with a combined capacity of about 390 GWe. In 2022 these provided 2545 TWh, about 10% of the world's electricity.

Many countries with existing nuclear power programmes either have plans to, or are building, new power reactors. Every country worldwide that has operating nuclear power plants, or plants under construction, has a dedicated country profile in the Information Library.

About 30 countries are considering, planning or starting nuclear power programmes. For more information see page on Emerging Nuclear Energy Countries.

Nuclear reactors under construction

About 60 power reactors are currently being constructed in 17 countries

[BrendAn]

you would think 17 countries building nuclear to save emissions would be a hint for australia.

[LoonyBob]

2 minutes ago, BrendAn said:

you would think 17 countries building nuclear to save emissions would be a hint for australia.

Peer pressure, eh? I prefer the science, the whole science, and nothing but the science...

[BrendAn]

12 minutes ago, LoonyBob said:

Peer pressure, eh? I prefer the science, the whole science, and nothing but the science...

of course there would no science involved in building 60 reactors would there.

there are thousands of stupid people involved in these projects.  

Edited December 5, 2023 by BrendAn

[BrendAn]

and another thing about solar,  are there enough materials available to cover australia in panels. mining enough copper will be a problem.

[facthunter]

Stick to the facts. There's NO need to cover ALL of Australia in solar PV. Where's the copper in a solar Panel?   Nev

[kgwilson]

25 million panels & 3000 wind turbines on 15,000 sq km is able to produce more than the current output from everything we have now.

[BrendAn]

50 minutes ago, facthunter said:

Stick to the facts. There's NO need to cover ALL of Australia in solar PV. Where's the copper in a solar Panel?   Nev

so they don't need thousands of meters of copper wiring .

[BrendAn]

6 minutes ago, kgwilson said:

25 million panels & 3000 wind turbines on 15,000 sq km is able to produce more than the current output from everything we have now.

imagine what an eyesore that would be.

ask the farmers what they think of wind turbines. farms are getting divided by the transmission lines  running to the turbines.  3mt height limit for machinery passing under them means a lot of farm machinery and trucks have to go around the road to access the other side of the paddock.