My spies tell me Jabiru has been sold

[kgwilson]

Nuclear fission reactors are now old technology. No-one is building them any more as the capital expenditure, operational risk, timeframe to build, operational cost, disposal of waste cost, water supply required, as well as opposition from the populace are all far too high. None of the so called new technology has been proven in practice yet. Rolls Royce have a modular small reactor that will power a submarine for 30 years but it won't run even a small town & the sub has all the cooling water it needs. Scaling such things presents usually far more problems than they resolve.

 

Now if you are talking Nuclear Fusion I am all for it and we already have it. It is just 150 million km away & provides us with more energy in a day than we will ever need in a lifetime and it is called the sun.

 

There is a proposal to set up around 15,000 sq km of solar with 25 million panels and and 3000 wind turbines somewhere around Esperance in WA which would produce more energy than all of the current combined coal and renewable energy along the Eastern seaboard combined and use a lot of this energy to produce 3.5 million tonnes of green hydrogen a year. A MOU has been signed by WA & Korea Electric Power Corporation. It is a 20 year project, will employ thousands and there is no waste or fallout.

Edited December 4, 2023 by kgwilson

[BrendAn]

2 minutes ago, facthunter said:

Solar is SO cheap here and plentiful. that we could use it to produce hydrogen or concentrate it to achieve otherwise unachievable temperatures. with NO nasties.. One sub with 5 warheads is all it takes  to end the Power stations We don't have to be IN Europe to have the lot knocked out in one go.. Plenty of ways to store energy.  A Funicular railway, Big flywheel  Pump Hydro. Batteries are instant. Changing output on a nuclear plant ISN'T. Nev

when was the last time you did any reading about the latest developments in nuc energy. and stop watching war movies. its never going to happen.

[BrendAn]

Homepage - World Nuclear News

WWW.WORLD-NUCLEAR-NEWS.ORG

 

[BrendAn]

10 minutes ago the liberals were on the news saying nuclear power needs to be legalised in australia.

[BrendAn]

15 minutes ago, onetrack said:

The only thing I can see in my crystal ball is that our power/energy sources will become a lot more fractured/diverse in the next couple of decades - and that's not a bad thing. 

Nuclear power stations means we're putting a lot of eggs into one big basket.

the latest developments are small reactors in sea containers that can easily be moved and multiplied as needed. there is a lot going on to solve the troubles of earlier power plants.  the engines in american aircraft carriers are a good example.

[facthunter]

You TRUST what they say? They want more Coal and gas. Nuclear is just the latest fool idea to delay doing anything. Nev

[BrendAn]

"A1B+reactor" -wikipedia - Google Search

WWW.GOOGLE.COM

the technology developed military eventually finds its way to civilian use.

[skippydiesel]

25 minutes ago, BrendAn said:

we are in australia not eastern europe. ..................

BrendAn - we are no longer so far away - If a drone can fly from the US to Australia, an intercontinental missile drop in from orbit, the next superpower, is just around the corner & seemingly increasingly keen to flex their military muscle, we don't have to be in Europe to feel the cold wind of fear.

 

 

[BrendAn]

4 minutes ago, facthunter said:

You TRUST what they say? They want more Coal and gas. Nuclear is just the latest fool idea to delay doing anything. Nev

people have been pushing for it for years.  why do you refuse to even look at the subject. read about the reactor i posted above

[BrendAn]

Just now, skippydiesel said:

BrendAn - we are no longer so far away - If a drone can fly from the US to Australia, an intercontinental missile drop in from orbit, the next superpower, is just around the corner & seemingly increasingly keen to flex their military muscle, we don't have to be in Europe to feel the cold wind of fear.

 

 

i have absolutely no interest in worrying about what could or could not happen.

i am talking about electricity to run the country. 

with all the woke bullshit in victoria these days we should just shut the state down and sit at home with our solar panels. the daniels government were determined to shut down our industry to appease the greens. now that puppet jacinta is doing dans bidding. no gas in new homes. no exploration, no logging.  rant over.

[facthunter]

Because I've looked up so many false projects that I'm sick of it. Same with New Aero motors that do impossible things.. IF yours is any good It will be evident by the amount of investment it gets based on actual money figures and availability. My view won't count  for much either way. Nev

[facthunter]

The number of Solar panels compared with what is possible  is just a drop in the ocean and they get cheaper and everything else gets more expensive. Don't go on  with that  WOKE BS either Its insulting to people who care..  and also have a brain no matter what you choose to think. Europe MAY have to go nuclear to some extent, but of all the places on earth WE don't.

 Victoria's BROWN Coal is the worst possible kind and the Power stations are old obselete and unreliable and CAN"T be racked up and down at will. The cost of new ones is through the roof . Nev

Edited December 4, 2023 by facthunter

[skippydiesel]

BrendAn -

Even you will  agree that nuclear has an awful stink about it,  from Hiroshima, Pacific & Australian testing, failed power plants, contaminated oceans, land & air etc etc. Sure nuclear may be advancing beyond what non scientists like myself can even imagine but we the people fear nuclear (I for one would be a NIMBY) and no one seems to know what to do with the spent fuel.

It may be corny but we only have this one planet, why do we seem to be so keen to contaminate it with every poison we dream up????

[facthunter]

Who would volunteer to be within miles of one?  France made a good go of it but theirs are all old now. The cost of removing them is immense and risky. Nobody even wants train or vehicles carrying waste anywhere near their towns let alone store it there. Nev

[kgwilson]

Brendan, your position is quite clear and I respect that.

 

I visited Calder Hall, the worlds first Nuclear Power Station in Cumbria in the 70s. It took 3 years to build & was originally built to produce plutonium for nuclear warheads. It was shut down in 2005 and full decommissioning will not be complete till 2027 when radiation shielding is completed and it will remain like this forever. 3 years to build, 22 years to decommission and 3000 years before the waste decays to its half life and no-one can go near it for that time. The UK has 7 Nuclear submarines that have been decommissioned & they are stored in Rosyth dock in Fife & another 14 in Devonport waiting for someone to figure out how to get rid of the nuclear waste. Locals are very unhappy about this and the official line is progress is being made but they have been there for years with no end date in sight. The problem is worse in the USA & in Russia they don't care.

 

Do you really want a similar situation here in Australia?

[BrendAn]

27 minutes ago, facthunter said:

The number of Solar panels compared with what is possible  is just a drop in the ocean and they get cheaper and everything else gets more expensive. Don't go on  with that  WOKE BS either Its insulting to people who care..  and also have a brain no matter what you choose to think. Europe MAY have to go nuclear to some extent, but of all the places on earth WE don't.

 Victoria's BROWN Coal is the worst possible kind and the Power stations are old obselete and unreliable and CAN"T be racked up and down at will. The cost of new ones is through the roof . Nev

 turn on the project channel 10. the woke bunch are discussing nuclear power as we speak

[Litespeed]

3 hours ago, BrendAn said:

you are that intelligent. a man of science yet completely close your mind to nuclear energy and all the research going on to improve it.

Intelligent enough to know it's not suitable for Australia, we have no history in it nor expertise.

 

Even expert countries have huge difficulties and massive cost overruns.

 

Until Fusion becames available it's a fool's errand.

[BrendAn]

5 minutes ago, Litespeed said:

Intelligent enough to know it's not suitable for Australia, we have no history in it nor expertise.

 

Even expert countries have huge difficulties and massive cost overruns.

 

Until Fusion becames available it's a fool's errand.

you have no clue what is being done in nuclear development. i put links up but none of you bother having a look. 

[BrendAn]

45 minutes ago, facthunter said:

Because I've looked up so many false projects that I'm sick of it. Same with New Aero motors that do impossible things.. IF yours is any good It will be evident by the amount of investment it gets based on actual money figures and availability. My view won't count  for much either way. Nev

everyones view counts . 22 countries have signed up to develop nuclear power. they can't all be wrong. 

[BrendAn]

29 minutes ago, facthunter said:

Who would volunteer to be within miles of one?  France made a good go of it but theirs are all old now. The cost of removing them is immense and risky. Nobody even wants train or vehicles carrying waste anywhere near their towns let alone store it there. Nev

i think australia has a moral obligation to store nuclear waste, we have no problem selling uranium. same as all our coal going to japan and china . as long as we don't burn it its ok. 

[BrendAn]

anyway, we are all entitled to our opinions, time will tell if nuc becomes a reality for aus or not. if it does or doesn't i just hope they come up with a way to keep industry alive in this country, too much has gone overseas already.

[turboplanner]

3 minutes ago, BrendAn said:

anyway, we are all entitled to our opinions, time will tell if nuc becomes a reality for aus or not. if it does or doesn't i just hope they come up with a way to keep industry alive in this country, too much has gone overseas already.

I've stood at the hypo centre; the spot directly beneath where Enola Gay was when the atomic bomb was dropped on Hiroshima, and I've also stood in the hypocentre at Nagasaki. 

 

The combined Japanese banks all set up shop in the roofless Bank of Japan just a walk up the road on the Monday morning after the bomb dropped. 

 

Both cities have thriving residential, commercial and industrial buildings tpday on a density we can't achieve in any of our cities.

 

So much for half life.

 

Once again, there's only a need to go away from coal, if emitting CO2 causes global warming, and now, since the United Nations has shifted the start of the 1.4 degree armageddon where the predicted average temperature of Melbourne will reach today's average temperature of Sydney.

 

Nuclear is the best solution, but Australia is out of time and out of money to complete just one in time for the United Nations agenda.

 

If you look at the subsidised wind farm construction since the 1980s, we're out of time for them too.

 

And solar has trouble getting on to the AEMO dashboard.

 

That leaves .............

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[skippydiesel]

20 minutes ago, BrendAn said:

anyway, we are all entitled to our opinions, time will tell if nuc becomes a reality for aus or not. if it does or doesn't i just hope they come up with a way to keep industry alive in this country, too much has gone overseas already.

I am appalled at Australia's lack of foresight & planning - If the small, climate & often terrain challenged countries of Scandinavian can deliver IKEA/ Scania/DAF/Volvo?etc/etc to the World, why are we not achieving in a like manner ?? Then there are the ex Soviet Block countries, that have dragged themselves out of the mess of that collapse,  to  sell recreation level aircraft, aircraft components and probably a lot more. 

We focus on our sporting myths and run down our science establishments. We crucify those that try against the odds & fail (unless they are in the building industry).

Our strength could/should be in our educated population, science & technology - the future of industry (everywhere) is, for the most part, robotics & AI - minimal jobs.

[skippydiesel]

14 minutes ago, turboplanner said:

I've stood at the hypo centre; the spot directly beneath where Enola Gay was when the atomic bomb was dropped on Hiroshima, and I've also stood in the hypocentre at Nagasaki. 

 

The combined Japanese banks all set up shop in the roofless Bank of Japan just a walk up the road on the Monday morning after the bomb dropped. 

 

Both cities have thriving residential, commercial and industrial buildings tpday on a density we can't achieve in any of our cities.

 

So much for half life.

 

Once again, there's only a need to go away from coal, if emitting CO2 causes global warming, and now, since the United Nations has shifted the start of the 1.4 degree armageddon where the predicted average temperature of Melbourne will reach today's average temperature of Sydney.

 

Nuclear is the best solution, but Australia is out of time and out of money to complete just one in time for the United Nations agenda.

 

If you look at the subsidised wind farm construction since the 1980s, we're out of time for them too.

 

And solar has trouble getting on to the AEMO dashboard.

 

That leaves .............

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

AND what of birth defects, in all forms of animal life???

Edited December 4, 2023 by skippydiesel

[turboplanner]

1 minute ago, skippydiesel said:

I am appalled at Australia's lack of foresight & planning - If the small, climate & often terrain challenged countries of Scandinavian can deliver IKEA/ Scania/DAF/Volvo?etc/etc to the World, why are we not achieving in a like manner ?? Then there are the ex Soviet Block countries, that have dragged themselves out of the mess of that collapse,  to  sell recreation level aircraft, aircraft components and probably a lot more. 

We focus on our sporting myths and run down our science establishments. We crucify those that try against the odds & fail (unless they are in the building industry).

Our strength could/should be in our educated population, science & technology - the future of industry (everywhere) is, for the most part, robotics & AI - minimal jobs.

In a word "cheapest". The Australian demographic since the 1950s has progressively opted to buy the cheapest products available. That erodes the markets of the manufacturers who, due to Australia's small population can only build in tiny runs, and our manufacturers go broke.