Ultralight crash north of Grafton 12/12/23

[Cosmick]

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-12-12/plane-crash-near-grafton/103217270

[facthunter]

Another  report said it Had hit Powerlines.   Nev

[KRviator]

IS that on a sand(rock) bank on the Clarence river?!? Surely no one would be stupid enough to go low-flying down the river a second time after that bloke killed his mates daughter doing exactly the same thing in a similar spot a few years ago?!?

Edited December 12, 2023 by KRviator
Corrected text - it wasn't his granddaughter.

[facthunter]

WE still don't KNOW yet.   Nev

[onetrack]

Well, the police have determined the problem - it was one of those "home-made" aircraft. Jeez, you'd think a copper would have more intelligence.

 

https://www.9news.com.au/national/lilydale-plane-crash-two-dead-in-northern-nsw-plane-crash/2c25a84c-5c69-4b12-939c-24f8d50379cb

[facthunter]

A home made TYPE of plane?    Oh well, you  don't pull them over everyday you know, so you have to cut a bit of slack.   SAD to hear. Powerlines are not easy to see Nev

[BrendAn]

who says the people in the plane knew anything about what you are talking about. pretty big call on your part.

[KRviator]

"Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it" - George Santayana 
A 12-year-old girl has died after a light plane hit powerlines and crashed into the Clarence River in northern New South Wales. (2014 - a few years earlier than I remembered)

Reckon that span crossing the river is what this latest muppet hit...
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[facthunter]

Dunno what you are up in arms about Brendan. I think there may be some misunderstanding somewhere.  Nev

[facthunter]

For heaven's sake KR, don't call them a muppet.  Nev

[turboplanner]

  On 12/12/2023 at 5:13 AM, facthunter said:

For heaven's sake KR, don't call them a muppet.  Nev

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Is the cable above 500 feet?

[facthunter]

How's that relevant??  Nev

[Thruster88]

  On 12/12/2023 at 4:39 AM, BrendAn said:

who says the people in the plane knew anything about what you are talking about. pretty big call on your part.

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I believe all pilots should be reading all the accident reports applicable to their class of operation. I was aware of the Maule power line "accident". 

[turboplanner]

  On 12/12/2023 at 5:18 AM, facthunter said:

How's that relevant??  Nev

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Well this might come as a surprise then. If a cable is not under 500 feet AGL a pilot flying legally will not hit it.

[facthunter]

 He MAY have lost power. I don't presume anything, Or Judge, till we have all the facts. The readiness to think the worst of their fellow pilots still astounds me  Nev

[Thruster88]

Another example https://www.atsb.gov.au/publications/investigation_reports/2022/aair/ao-2022-027

[facthunter]

You can get there by many ways and they can be very different paths.  Nev

[KRviator]

  On 12/12/2023 at 5:13 AM, facthunter said:

For heaven's sake KR, don't call them a muppet.  Nev

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The idiot flew into a powerline strung at low level across a river. Muppet was me being polite! If he'd killed one of my friends, I'd be calling him something a damn sight worse! 

  On 12/12/2023 at 5:29 AM, facthunter said:

 He MAY have lost power. I don't presume anything, Or Judge, till we have all the facts. The readiness to think the worst of their fellow pilots still astounds me  Nev

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Occams razor still applies. If I'd have had an engine failure, I don't think I'd pass up the nicely graded dirt roads, empty paddocks or the flat campground beside the river (assuming it was a 3rd option being suitably empty enough of caravans). The river would be an off-on-the-horizon fourth option...

EDIT: The only way I can see any kind of defence to this, was if he was trying to replicate that Alaskan bush flying by landing on the river shoal you can see in the photo here. But that won't absolve ol' mate from the "ALA must be safe for the proposed operation" bit of the CASR's - and clearly it wasn't as there was a powerline running over it that he hit!

  On 12/12/2023 at 5:30 AM, Thruster88 said:

Another example https://www.atsb.gov.au/publications/investigation_reports/2022/aair/ao-2022-027

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There's this one too. A 172 hired by a group of tourists was hot-dogging out in the GAFA when they hit a powerline 15m (50') AGL above the road after a history of low-flying. The ATSB concluded 

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There was no evidence of an aircraft or operational reason for the flight below 500 ft above ground level (AGL). Based on a lack of evidence to the contrary, the investigation concluded that the descent to, and flight at low level was probably as a result of a conscious decision by the pilots.

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You want to do stupid shit, like tooling about at low level without an endo or proper survey - fill ya boots! Just don't do it with someone I care about on board and cross your fingers that if you do come to grief, you only kill yourself - because if you survive - even if no one's killed - it's gonna get very unpleasant, very quickly, and I don't just mean the investigation. There'll be medical bills, insurers coming after your assets, broken friendships and that's just the administrative and financial floof, before you get criminally charged.

Edited December 12, 2023 by KRviator

[Cosmick]

Update. Dec'd <10 yr old child and 30 Yr old male. Aircraft from Gold Coast area.

 

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-12-12/plane-crash-near-grafton/103217270

 

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12852715/lilydale-grafton-nsw-light-plane.html

 

Edited December 12, 2023 by Cosmick

[facthunter]

Like I said VERY SAD so let's cool it a bit eh?  Nev

[turboplanner]

  On 12/12/2023 at 5:59 AM, facthunter said:

Like I said VERY SAD so let's cool it a bit eh?  Nev

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A ten year old child has died.

[BrendAn]

  On 12/12/2023 at 5:11 AM, facthunter said:

Dunno what you are up in arms about Brendan. I think there may be some misunderstanding somewhere.  Nev

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i am not up in arms about it  , just pointing out we don't know what happened yet and  friends or family might read these posts.  its a small world .

Edited December 12, 2023 by BrendAn

[facthunter]

What do you THINK my point IS then?.  I was having a go about how the COPS reported it early in the piece. NOT casting aspersions on the Pilot.   Nev

Edited December 12, 2023 by facthunter

[BrendAn]

  On 12/12/2023 at 6:20 AM, facthunter said:

What do you THINK my point IS then?.  I was having a go about how the COPS reported it early in the piece. NOT casting aspersions on the Pilot.   Nev

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sorry nev. i thought i was replying to kr. i had not read your post.

[facthunter]

Fine. Sorted?  ALL good.  Nev