Crop Duster Crash near Bourke NSW 10/2/2024

[FlyingVizsla]

 

Man dead after plane crashes on farm near Bourke in western NSW - ABC News

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A man has died after the crop dusting aircraft he was in crashed into a paddock near Bourke in western New South Wales.

 

[turboplanner]

Hopefully ATSB will do a good job on this.

Crop spraying is a precision application with a high level of potential risk, but still needs the investigative focus to avoid others becoming victim to the same cause.

[facthunter]

It's a risky occupation. Always sad. Nev

[skippydiesel]

Don't know about you - I find the use of the word "crime" as in "crime scene" to be inappropriate, even disquieting. This and others like it, are an accident/incident scene/location - at some time in the future, it may be determined that a crime of some sort has been committed, until then this word is completely inaccurate and inappropriate.

[facthunter]

I agree with that but the accident scene is required to be kept undisturbed till all evidence is collected from it and crime scene is probably the only sign they have.   Nev

[skippydiesel]

10 minutes ago, facthunter said:

I agree with that but the accident scene is required to be kept undisturbed till all evidence is collected from it and crime scene is probably the only sign they have.   Nev

Sounds about right  Nev - why be accurate when you can escalate & save money at the same time.

[onetrack]

The scene is declared a crime scene to ensure no evidence is disturbed until an official police investigation is complete.

Police are eternally suspicious, and need to be satisfied that every serious event, from fires to death, do not have indications of foul play.

 

If you've ever had a house fire, you'll know that police immediately investigate and interview you, and declare it a crime scene until they're satisfied they've found the exact cause of the fire, and there are no reasons to suspect a crime has been committed.

Probably about every third house fire is arson of some type. Angry tenants, love triangles, criminality involving setting fires to cover up robbery or other crimes, financial reward from insurance, the list is substantial. 

 

Someone may have had it in for the pilot and sabotaged the aircraft, this has to be checked out thoroughly, the police question the pilots closest relatives to dig up problems that raise warning flags.

It is part of police pyschology to advertise that a major event is a crime scene, this makes potential crime planners think twice about carrying out cunning crimes.

[facthunter]

The same LAW applies if ATSB are investigating it. It's the authority's property till they release it.  Nev

[skippydiesel]

4 hours ago, onetrack said:

The scene is declared a crime scene to ensure no evidence is disturbed until an official police investigation is complete.

Police are eternally suspicious, and need to be satisfied that every serious event, from fires to death, do not have indications of foul play.

 

If you've ever had a house fire, you'll know that police immediately investigate and interview you, and declare it a crime scene until they're satisfied they've found the exact cause of the fire, and there are no reasons to suspect a crime has been committed.

Probably about every third house fire is arson of some type. Angry tenants, love triangles, criminality involving setting fires to cover up robbery or other crimes, financial reward from insurance, the list is substantial. 

 

Someone may have had it in for the pilot and sabotaged the aircraft, this has to be checked out thoroughly, the police question the pilots closest relatives to dig up problems that raise warning flags.

It is part of police pyschology to advertise that a major event is a crime scene, this makes potential crime planners think twice about carrying out cunning crimes.

My point is simple - it's not a crime scene until a crime/suspicion of, has been found. It serves no good purpose (other than the cops promoting themselves) to prematurely declare every incident one. By all means declare an incident/investigation scene but don't call it a crime scene until strong indication that there may have been one.

[turboplanner]

5 minutes ago, skippydiesel said:

My point is simple - it's not a crime scene until a crime/suspicion of, has been found. It serves no good purpose (other than the cops promoting themselves) to prematurely declare every incident one. By all means declare an incident/investigation scene but don't call it a crime scene until strong indication that there may have been one.

You better tell Albo then.

[facthunter]

He's NOT the relevant minister and the cops will be  STATE employed anyhow. Whatever they designate it as is not " earth shattering" anyhow. . Hardly in the first ten of things you'd like to fix.  Nev

[skippydiesel]

May not be "earth shattering" however the increasing use of hysterical language, in our media and by our authorities, is a trend that should be called out. 

 

We no longer have  "Extreme Fire Danger" weather condition, an accurate description,  it has escalated to "Catastrophic Fire Danger" which isn't even good English. Such misuses of emotive language, does no one any good , and does not help to appropriately motivate the population.

 

It almost seem that there is some sort of competition to see who can come up with the most alarming, disproportionate language, for any given situation.

 

 

[Area-51]

1 hour ago, skippydiesel said:

May not be "earth shattering" however the increasing use of hysterical language, in our media and by our authorities, is a trend that should be called out. 

 

We no longer have  "Extreme Fire Danger" weather condition, an accurate description,  it has escalated to "Catastrophic Fire Danger" which isn't even good English. Such misuses of emotive language, does no one any good , and does not help to appropriately motivate the population.

 

It almost seem that there is some sort of competition to see who can come up with the most alarming, disproportionate language, for any given situation.

 

 

Let's up the game and go straight to "Apocalyptic Fire Danger", or, "Apocalyptic Storm Conditions"... We don't want the population wandering around taking photos or trying to help. Got to scare them back into the basements and sports stadiums... gone off topic again... 

[reggie]

I lost almost everything (except my aircraft) in a fire 8 years ago. (And DFES did nothing.) I watch the news  and see emergency service boss's stand there wearing more bling than the top cop and tell me what I should be doing and how to do it. 

Empire building at its best.

Fk off.

[johnm]

the top cop still have some way to go

 

[facthunter]

Gong ki Kong looks all Wong. Nev

[phantomphixer]

Imagine having to pin that lot back on after dry cleaning 🤣

Well off topic now.

[rgmwa]

Better than chainmail in a battle.

[pmccarthy]

Has  a name been released yet?

[onetrack]

No. The only information is that the pilot was 47 yrs old.

[skippydiesel]

On 11/02/2024 at 10:55 PM, Area-51 said:

Let's up the game and go straight to "Apocalyptic Fire Danger", or, "Apocalyptic Storm Conditions"... We don't want the population wandering around taking photos or trying to help. Got to scare them back into the basements and sports stadiums... gone off topic again... 

On ABC TV today, Victorian fire person talking about the potential for a bushfire in today's high temperatures & windy conditions - he talked as if the State was already being consumed by fire.

 

This sort of alarmist language,  seems to be employed by most emergency response services  and the BOM - people just turn off. This may be to their cost, when the dire predictions actually come true.

 

It seem that there is little awareness of the difference between information/advice and hysteria.

[facthunter]

Nothing to do with a Crop Duster Crash and have you ever experienced a bushfire  roaring down on you? It's the DRY Conditions and  excess grass growth that makes Today a Greater potential disaster with thunderstorms and dry lightning PREDICTED. Preparation has been minimal generally because of the unusual rains and resulting grass growth here so any warning can't be too big. .  Nev

[turboplanner]

54 minutes ago, skippydiesel said:

On ABC TV today, Victorian fire person talking about the potential for a bushfire in today's high temperatures & windy conditions - he talked as if the State was already being consumed by fire.

 

This sort of alarmist language,  seems to be employed by most emergency response services  and the BOM - people just turn off. This may be to their cost, when the dire predictions actually come true.

 

It seem that there is little awareness of the difference between information/advice and hysteria.

Yes, The story applied ”catastrophic” to the whole of Victoria, but green grass doesn’t burn. Later there was reference to the North West which might well be dry.

 

[skippydiesel]

1 hour ago, facthunter said:

Nothing to do with a Crop Duster Crash and have you ever experienced a bushfire  roaring down on you? It's the DRY Conditions and  excess grass growth that makes Today a Greater potential disaster with thunderstorms and dry lightning PREDICTED. Preparation has been minimal generally because of the unusual rains and resulting grass growth here so any warning can't be too big. .  Nev

".....ever experienced a bushfire  roaring down on you?"

Yes I have - twice in our present location, The Oaks, NSW.

 

First event - we (the street/local) had little help from overstretched/under maned fire brigade - all down to us. Despite some near losses, we, the residents (only two family's bailed) prevailed, with minimal asset damage. The fires burned for weeks, doing a good job of consuming many years of accumulated tinder (bugger all fuel reduction in our area). 

 

Second event - years later (fuel built up in interval, still no controlled burns) featured big response by fire brigades AND an air show. Pretty much the same result, as we the residents managed previously. The air show was great, huge water bombers wheeling about, seemed like  100ft over our heads - no way they could have done that at an air show. Choppers took over when the bulk of the fire had been contained. Problem with this was,  they kept operating for the next week or so. Not only did we get thoroughly sick of the constant noise, they put out the inaccessible burning gullys (that had burnt out the first time) preserving all that fuel for a future "Catastrophe"

 

"....warning can't be too big"

 

Appropriate warning/information is a good thing.   Hysterical language is just plain wrong and results in panic / apathey (when repeated hysterical announcements/prediction comes to little or nothing).

[facthunter]

As the circumstances turned out don't you think the warning was appropriate? Nev