Class 5 medical declaration. My experience

[gareth lacey]

56 minutes ago, Geoff_H said:

Is anyone over 75 with a class5 on this site?

Yes 76 , yrs 77 this year ,no tests other than what you might need for your driving licence , i have a class 5 easy to get

[turboplanner]

2 hours ago, Geoff_H said:

But when you hit 75 the rules even for class 5 change.  Is the stress test etc mandatory then, even without prior problems? It is with a class 2

You just got some very good advice.

The tests you describe are serious heart tests, so personally I wouldn't mess around with them.

[Geoff_H]

18 minutes ago, turboplanner said:

You just got some very good advice.

The tests you describe are serious heart tests, so personally I wouldn't mess around with them.

I don't have a choice if I want a class 2.  They cost over $400/ yr.  I am looking to getting away from.the cost and trying to see if our medicos will make me do.ot on a class 5

[facthunter]

They don't do you any good either or guarantee no heart problems going forward. Nev

[coljones]

9 minutes ago, Geoff_H said:

I don't have a choice if I want a class 2.  They cost over $400/ yr.  I am looking to getting away from.the cost and trying to see if our medicos will make me do.ot on a class 5

Enroll in the training and fill in the forms - those should be able to give you a pass/fail before you submit. If you fail then you can organise your ducks for a full class 2.

I occasionally fly with more than 1 passenger so no cheap kicks for me.

[turboplanner]

We wen

11 minutes ago, facthunter said:

They don't do you any good either or guarantee no heart problems going forward. Nev

You've said this many time and that's the way it was in the sixties and 70s before scanners.

However, now, with multiple scanners in big hospitals and different types, and pushing camera's up from the wrist area into the heart,  they can see what % Plaque, and stent an artery, they can see the valves and replace them, etc so there are less surprises.

 

What they do after surgery now is send the patient to regular clinics where they do quite heavy work outs; from what I saw heaveier than Stress ECG, so if you are interested in heart it would bve well worth a look at what happens today. For a start not too many die in their 50s and 60s like they used to.

[facthunter]

That's because they are treated with better drugs. Plenty Of heart specialists don't like the stress ecg for older people at all and it is of reduced intensity when done. From what you write, you actually don't appear to know much about it. Nev

[turboplanner]

Apparently.

[djpacro]

On 24/01/2025 at 2:27 PM, Geoff_H said:

But when you hit 75 the rules even for class 5 change.  Is the stress test etc mandatory then, even without prior problems? It is with a class 2

No special tests required, in general, for a Class 2, regardless of age. 

[Moneybox]

I did Class 2 just because I thought a good checkup wouldn't hurt. The problems began because I listed any ailments in the previous 70 years. I was asthmatic up until I started playing squash at 49, according to trainers I spoke to I shouldn't have mentioned it however if ever there was reason for an insurance claim they'll use any excuse possible to avoid a payout. The CASA doctor said I needed look-over glasses and a more comprehensive eye test because I declared a detached retina causing floaters in my vision some years back. The specialists dismissed all concerns as my eyesight tested good for my age and there was little risk of another episode. I'd tried hearing aids but sent them back because it was a waste of $4000. They wanted a retest. That came back all good so they set some perimeters for a retest using speech tones rather than the beeps and whistles. I needed 60% at 90db. I achieved 90% at 60db, much better than the tones, bells and whistles.

 

Anyway it went on from one test to the next over three months. In the end they asked for an angiogram. At that point I'd had enough so I called my GP. He said "There's nothing wrong with you. I'll write them a letter". I had my Class 2 medical certificate within days.

[Geoff_H]

An update i have had.  I did the online test.  Passed and got a completion certificate, what do I do with that?  Then started to apply for Class 5.  No additional heart tests for being over 75 seems to be attached, but maybe it will just at the end  however as my state, NSW, requires a doctors clearance to drive I must add its results to my application.  I see her next Tuesday,  she is also a DAME, I still am not sure.  My Class 2 still has 7 months left, will that be immediately cancelled?

[facthunter]

Probably.  (Just an opinion) That's the way it usually works.  Nev

[red750]

This appeared on my Facebook today.

 

[BurnieM]

Reading up on 'Instrument number CASA EX01/24" which not part of the regulations but is an exemption to them.

If I have a RPL and a class 5 med (and obviously a current BFR) I can fly a plane up to 2000kg.

 

Under the regs if I have an RPL and either a class 2 or class 1 med then I can fly a plane up to 1500kg.

I thought this was interesting.

 

Probably not a lot of practical difference as with RPL and higher med you can only have 3 passengers and an aircraft like a Cessna 172 is 1,157 kg MTOW.

 

Edited February 1 by BurnieM

[Diggler]

Am now 75 and RAAus want a Dr's statement that I'm fit to "drive a private vehicle".

Sent them my CASA class five and was rejected as it did not satisfy their rules.

All a bit silly. My GA BFR is good enough for RAAus, so why shouldn't my CASA class 5 medical suffice as well?

Cost > $100 to visit the GP to fix the problem.

Harmonization is what we should aim for with these basic requirements.

[Bennyboy320]

The RAAUS ops manual hasn’t been updated yet to reflect that a CASA class 5 even exists hence you need to self certify a RAAUS medical declaration, that’s what I was told when I submitted my class 5.

[Moneybox]

28 minutes ago, Bennyboy320 said:

The RAAUS ops manual hasn’t been updated yet to reflect that a CASA class 5 even exists hence you need to self certify a RAAUS medical declaration, that’s what I was told when I submitted my class 5.

Unfortunately common sense is not a requirement to get a job these days. They can train just about anybody to do a simple task where the rules and specifications are within reach of a computer key. If what you need is not clearly written it either doesn't exist or is unobtainable.

 

A few weeks back I called a company that claim to be the biggest fastener supplier in Australia. I was ordering a variety of regular sized nuts and bolts, it was a struggle but we were getting there. That was until I ordered 20 x 1/2" UNC stainless steel nuts. The young lady said "We don't have 1/2", will 1" do?"

 

After giving her my address she said "Are you local?" I said yes I Cue I am so she charged me $9.95 freight. After a few days I called to see how my order was going. The guy said "We can't get it to Cue for $9.95, I'll have to charge another $20." I said no problem and gave him my CC details. A week later I called back and got the same girl, I asked how my order was going. She asked who she could send it with, I said Star Track or Toll would be best. I called back in a few days and she asked "What's the number for Star Track?" I said 132345, I think she wanted my account number but they'd already taken money for freight so I gave her the phone number.

 

My bolts and nuts ordered on 2nd January turned up yesterday all correct.

 

Imagine the trouble you'd have employing somebody if the job required mechanical aptitude, technical skills or just common sense. 

Edited February 5 by Moneybox

[Geoff_H]

Please could you confirm that at the moment you are rated for GA medical Class 5.  If yes as there any special add on requirements owing to age?

[onetrack]

MB, you're lucky you didn't get, "what's 1/2" in millimetre size?" - and end up being supplied with 12mm bolts. Probably 80% of my equipment is U.S.-design and origin, and I still have the majority of my fasteners in inch sizes and imperial strength grades, and 80% of my tools are A/F or other "inch measure" tools.

I was lucky in that I went to high school in the era when imperial measures were still the primary measure, but we were also taught metric measures, too. The kid today seem to be taught no useful life skills, nor even any basic measuring or maths skills.

 

Ever got to a till where the amount owing is say, $11.65, and you're paying cash, and you say, "I've haven't got a tenner, but I'll give you a twenty and $1.65 in coins" - and watched the utter confusion on the youngsters face, as they try to grasp the amount of change to be given?

Of course, they've fixed that problem, by providing modified registers, that tell the operator the amount to be given in change.

[pmccarthy]

I recently bought some 1/4 inch and 5/16 inch fibre washers at an Autopro store. The shop attendant asked if I had samples so he could find them out the back, and luckily I had them in my pocket. When he came back with the new ones, he had matched the outer diameters of the washers and not the holes.

[gareth lacey]

3 hours ago, Geoff_H said:

Please could you confirm that at the moment you are rated for GA medical Class 5.  If yes as there any special add on requirements owing to age?

So far no extra medical requirments ,class 5 medical was easy ,just answer the questions and produce drivers licence medical cert

[coljones]

8 hours ago, onetrack said:

MB, you're lucky you didn't get, "what's 1/2" in millimetre size?" - and end up being supplied with 12mm bolts. Probably 80% of my equipment is U.S.-design and origin, and I still have the majority of my fasteners in inch sizes and imperial strength grades, and 80% of my tools are A/F or other "inch measure" tools.

I was lucky in that I went to high school in the era when imperial measures were still the primary measure, but we were also taught metric measures, too. The kid today seem to be taught no useful life skills, nor even any basic measuring or maths skills.

 

Ever got to a till where the amount owing is say, $11.65, and you're paying cash, and you say, "I've haven't got a tenner, but I'll give you a twenty and $1.65 in coins" - and watched the utter confusion on the youngsters face, as they try to grasp the amount of change to be given?

Of course, they've fixed that problem, by providing modified registers, that tell the operator the amount to be given in change.

No change, always been a problem.

[facthunter]

This is one instance of Oldies coping with "change" better than youngsters. and I CAN SEE the benefits of these new fangled ELECTRIC cars. Just call them "Cordless" and they will  "get" what's happening.  Nev

[BrendAn]

Any chance we could keep this about the medicals.

Put electric cars and nuts and bolts somewhere else.

[facthunter]

Good luck to you. When I try THAT one, I get ignored so I just GO with the Flow.    Nev