RAAus access to class C and D airspace.

[kgwilson]

And there are precedents everywhere else in the world. I was really surprised this was the case when I came across the ditch in 05. I was GA then but there were RA aircraft flying in to get Avgas at our Aero Club Bowser back in the 90s. And it was an International airport to boot. Another thing I think they did right there as well was to have GA & RA aircraft all on the same ZK register. It also took only 90 days from promulgation of rule making to RPL availability also in 2005.

 

Will CASA ever change? In my lifetime I doubt it.

[BrendAn]

3 hours ago, Arron25 said:

You realise that this RAA/CT access 'debate'... is JUST an RAA Con Job...

From what I understand the training to be required for an RPC holder to get access..  IS the same as training to achieve RPL ..

 

When a pilot gets RPL, he is then a GA pilot, who now has access to Permanent rego /No 'club' membership needed aircraft..

Most reasonable RAA aircraft all have the possibility of 'conversion to GA.. and removed from the RAA register.

 

RPL & GA rego is then ... NO RAA Fees... Ok none of the much vaunted 'insurance' etc.. but seriously.... But at the end of it all .. NO money to RAA...

 

Seems the majority of RAA members pay the money .. but just don't want to be involved.. (ie. the ridiculously low voting numbers)

so with the (correct) increased promotion of RPL .. the Cash Cow will have 'flown' (pun intended).

I think casa is stopping rpc access not raa. That's the way I read it anyway

[facthunter]

There's issues regarding ICAO compliancy. What's in it for CASA if you tangle with a big one?    Nev

[coljones]

6 hours ago, BrendAn said:

I think casa is stopping rpc access not raa. That's the way I read it anyway

You need RPC to fly RAAus, but you need GA Licence, or training exemption, to fly controlled airspace.

[facthunter]

Your RAAus "Certificate" is worth Nowt overseas.. Its just exemptions.  Nev

[kgwilson]

So is the RPL. The US, Canada, UK & NZ have their RPLs recognised in each others territory. But CASA know best, not.

[Red]

1 hour ago, kgwilson said:

So is the RPL. The US, Canada, UK & NZ have their RPLs recognised in each others territory. But CASA know best, not.

No such thing as an RPL as such in the UK, I think our NPPL is basically equivalent, but AFAIK that can't be used in any of the countries you list (You can fly an N registered aircraft in the UK on an NPPL), we do have some agreements with european countries to allow use of an NPPL

We also have a LAPL over her, but that also is only valid in europe not the countries you list.

[RossK]

On 16/08/2024 at 7:42 PM, turboplanner said:

This "CASA" document?

xRAAP14.pdf 1.03 MB · 9 downloads

Thanks, that would actually be helpful to some people.

But without an RPL, there is no access for an RPC holder.

I've already done the RPL conversion, so I know the process.

[turboplanner]

1 hour ago, RossK said:

Thanks, that would actually be helpful to some people.

But without an RPL, there is no access for an RPC holder.

I've already done the RPL conversion, so I know the process.

Have a closer look at the document.

[RossK]

1 hour ago, turboplanner said:

Have a closer look at the document.

Stop wasting peoples time.

 

[BrendAn]

1 hour ago, turboplanner said:

Have a closer look at the document.

What is it you see. It's pretty clear to everyone but you what the rules are.

[BrendAn]

On 17/08/2024 at 6:33 PM, coljones said:

You need RPC to fly RAAus, but you need GA Licence, or training exemption, to fly controlled airspace.

If you read the posts you would see this has been mentioned more than once.

[turboplanner]

35 minutes ago, BrendAn said:

What is it you see. It's pretty clear to everyone but you what the rules are.

It's an RAA document, not CASA

[turboplanner]

1 hour ago, RossK said:

Stop wasting peoples time.

 

I didn't waste people's time; over the last 10 years I've explained it about three times; many took the time to follow the steps and hopefully are happily flying where they want to go.

 

CTA is not for people who have difficulty with documents because what you are learning is critical for your safety. I've had a Cessna 210 tail fin fill my windscreen as he cruised at 90 degrees to the entry point, about 3 who were coming towards me in the Western LAL in Melbourne with no communication.

 

We don't need more with attitude.

[BrendAn]

7 minutes ago, turboplanner said:

It's an RAA document, not CASA

You have lost me.  The only raa in cta are training with exemption. 

I go back to what I said before, why are raa seeking permission to allow them into cta if as you say it's already allowed.

[turboplanner]

2 minutes ago, BrendAn said:

You have lost me.  The only raa in cta are training with exemption. 

I go back to what I said before, why are raa seeking permission to allow them into cta if as you say it's already allowed.

 

2 minutes ago, BrendAn said:

You have lost me.  The only raa in cta are training with exemption. 

I go back to what I said before, why are raa seeking permission to allow them into cta if as you say it's already allowed.

You've been posting an RAA document.  For CTA you need to go on the CASA site and search CASA documents, not RAA. The CASA documents will show you the steps you, need to take to fly in CTA.

As several have said, if you want to do it just get qualified, make sure the aircraft is qualified  and do it. 

[BrendAn]

15 minutes ago, turboplanner said:

It's an RAA document, not CASA

I just read it again and Its says training and raa hire only. I assume the hire is solo training because all raa pilots must be under supervision of a CFI. 

[BrendAn]

1 minute ago, turboplanner said:

 

You've been posting an RAA document.  For CTA you need to go on the CASA site and search CASA documents, not RAA. The CASA documents will show you the steps you, need to take to fly in CTA.

As several have said, if you want to do it just get qualified, make sure the aircraft is qualified  and do it. 

But aren't you saying what I have said all along. The training is RPL.

[BrendAn]

I have to go out now but I will read through the casa stuff after. I must be missing something.

[RossK]

1 hour ago, BrendAn said:

I have to go out now but I will read through the casa stuff after. I must be missing something.

You're not missing anything, He's just doing what he normally does.

[jackc]

If people want to make statements about what documents are referred to?

Please post actual links,  for dumb arses like me who have only been in Aviation for 5 minutes 👍

[aro]

https://www.casa.gov.au/licences-and-certificates/pilots/pilot-licences/getting-recreational-pilot-licence-rpl

 

If you have an RA-Aus pilot certificate
An RA-Aus pilot certificate is equivalent to an RPL.

To get a CASA-issued RPL:

complete application form 61-1RTX Recreational Pilot Licence and send it with evidence (the form tells you what to provide and how to submit it)
do the flight review for your aircraft rating.
Your category rating, aircraft class rating and design feature endorsements will transfer across.

You will also get a recreational navigation endorsement if:

your certificate authorises you to do cross-country flights
you've done at least 25 hours flying time, including 20 hours dual and 5 hours as pilot-in-command.

 

You need to fill in a form and do a flight review. Then you can do the endorsement for controlled airspace.

 

There's actually less requirements for a RA-Aus pilot to get a RPL than for a commercial pilot to get a RA-Aus certificate.

[BrendAn]

4 minutes ago, aro said:

https://www.casa.gov.au/licences-and-certificates/pilots/pilot-licences/getting-recreational-pilot-licence-rpl

 

If you have an RA-Aus pilot certificate
An RA-Aus pilot certificate is equivalent to an RPL.

To get a CASA-issued RPL:

complete application form 61-1RTX Recreational Pilot Licence and send it with evidence (the form tells you what to provide and how to submit it)
do the flight review for your aircraft rating.
Your category rating, aircraft class rating and design feature endorsements will transfer across.

You will also get a recreational navigation endorsement if:

your certificate authorises you to do cross-country flights
you've done at least 25 hours flying time, including 20 hours dual and 5 hours as pilot-in-command.

 

You need to fill in a form and do a flight review. Then you can do the endorsement for controlled airspace.

 

There's actually less requirements for a RA-Aus pilot to get a RPL than for a commercial pilot to get a RA-Aus certificate.

we already know about that.  it does not change the fact that rpc holders can't enter controlled airspace which is what raaus are trying to change.

[pmccarthy]

But no entry to CTA without a current class 1 or 2 medical.

[BrendAn]

Just now, pmccarthy said:

But no entry to CTA without a current class 1 or 2 medical.

won't the new class 5 do it.