kgwilson Posted May 26 Posted May 26 A Cessna (looks like a C172 RG) apparently with engine failure only just makes it to Bankstown Airport this afternoon. Check out the good video of the incident. The 2 occupants waked away unscathed. The undercarriage was not deployed which based on how low it was, I reckon was a very good move. Light plane appears to only just make Sydney runway as it narrowly avoids trees and rooftops - ABC News WWW.ABC.NET.AU Aerial footage shows the aircraft flying right above suburban houses before it lands and skids across a taxiway, tipping onto its wing on the... 2
facthunter Posted May 26 Posted May 26 Good effort in the circumstances.. Leaving the gear up would have made the difference between making it and not. Buy a lottery ticket on that one. Nev 2 3
kgwilson Posted May 26 Author Posted May 26 Absolutely, the wing tip was only a few feet above the roof of the last building actually at the airport as the aircraft banked to make it on to the taxiway for landing.
skippydiesel Posted May 26 Posted May 26 Three bladed prop - couldn't see any wing struts - not a 172. Wow! got very close to not making it - taxiway landing not runway. 1
planedriver Posted May 26 Posted May 26 It was a Cessna 210 turbo, Skippy. Great job in my book with his final decisions leaving the gear up. 2 3
red750 Posted May 26 Posted May 26 From regosearch: Cessna 210MTurbo VH-MYW. Holder: SWANEPOEL, Johannes Jacob. 1
turboplanner Posted May 26 Posted May 26 Big heavy clean aircraft with the gear up; plenty of inertia to keep it going and probablt a few places he could have banged it down, but 29 years flying judgement paid off. 2
flying dog Posted May 26 Posted May 26 1 hour ago, skippydiesel said: Three bladed prop - couldn't see any wing struts - not a 172. Wow! got very close to not making it - taxiway landing not runway. Oh, come on... By now you should know the news reporters are not that smart. 😉 1 1
F10 Posted May 27 Posted May 27 Great effort! Leaving gear up should be SOP...so well done on that. Accurate flying under extreme pressure! 2
facthunter Posted May 27 Posted May 27 No flap was used either. Might have helped right at the last bit.. Watching the Plane and it's shadow get closer shows how little height was to spare.. Nev 2
Thruster88 Posted May 27 Posted May 27 Well done. Aircraft is for sale, might be a bit cheaper now. Very low total time for a late C210 1978 Cessna 210 Centurion II | Aircraft Listing | Plane Sales Australia WWW.PLANESALES.COM.AU A 1978 Cessna Centurion T210M, 6 seater. Known to be a reliable and versatile aircraft. It will cruise at 170 knots and stall at 65 knots. The MTOW is 1,723 kg and empty weight is 1,015 kg. It will hold 409 litres... 1
F10 Posted May 28 Posted May 28 17 hours ago, facthunter said: No flap was used either. Might have helped right at the last bit.. Watching the Plane and it's shadow get closer shows how little height was to spare.. Nev Yeah, I think I would have blipped a bit of flap down towards the end, but I say that with a lot of reservation....... as at that stage I would have been/he, was fully into "fly the aircraft, everything else is secondary"! I am a believer in: Flaps, up to 15 Deg flap, large lift increase for a very small drag penalty - over 15 degrees, lift increases, but drag now starts increasing exponentially. 1 1
facthunter Posted May 28 Posted May 28 In the big scheme of things Cessna's Fowler flaps are among the best. if not the best There's considerable unpredictability landing wheels up and the lowest safe speed helps reduce the extent of damage. Nev 1 1
facthunter Posted May 28 Posted May 28 Extending them too early would have wrecked the whole idea though. What an excellent coverage by the helicopter. Nev 1 1
kgwilson Posted May 28 Author Posted May 28 I reckon the LH wingtip would have been less that 3 feet from the edge of that last roof based on the shadow & sun position. 3 1
Marty_d Posted May 28 Posted May 28 I certainly pucker every time I see how close he came to the building. 1 1
RossK Posted May 28 Posted May 28 I've always been taught, no flaps until you are 100% certain you are making the field. In this instance, I would say he wasn't 100% sure until he cleared the last building, and he was on the ground 2 seconds later. Flaps at the last second may have softened the landing, but hey, they walked away and from pictures, it looks like a salvageable airframe, so 10/10 to the pilot from me. Although, he did miss the centreline, so, 9.5/10 😁 2 2 4 1
flying dog Posted May 29 Posted May 29 NOT HAVING A GO AT WHAT HAPPENED! But I have a question: (Well more than one sorry) (Oh, I don't know.... but here goes) Where was the plane going - originally? If it was Bankstown: I don't understand why he was so low. Ok, oops. He was flying to YSBK and before he reached the point where the glide slope WOULD get them to the field safely, the engine failed - Yes? The gear.... I thought the news said (And shame on me for believing them) the gear also didn't extend. But I guess in retrospect: The pilot kept them tucked up and the plane clean to maintain best glide. Someone? 1
Thruster88 Posted May 29 Posted May 29 Aircraft appeared to be on the down wind for 29 right at Bankstown. Engine failed about were the green adsb line ends and an approach to the closest north south taxi way L was carried out successfully. No spare energy for gear or flaps. 1 3
kgwilson Posted May 29 Author Posted May 29 There were no spare hands to activate the flaps in the last 2 seconds and no spare brain capacity either. Discounting reaction time 2 seconds of flap travel would be about 4 degrees & make no discernable difference at all. 1 1
F10 Posted May 29 Posted May 29 (edited) Yes this was a masterclass in energy management and it must have taken some doing not to involuntarily, ease back on the controls, as those buildings roofs got closer. I have a personal discomfort with aircraft that take off with no flap. Even if you just blip down 10 degrees or even slightly less. 10 deg or less means you have lowered your stall speed, you have increased the wing lift and wing angle of attack slightly, without an attitude change, which means increased form drag (larger frontal area) when raising the nose attitude. To me these can make all the difference in an engine failure after take off. To me, if you have them, use them. This wasn't an engine failure after take off, so keeping it clean was the right move. Edited May 29 by F10 1 2 1
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