kiwiaviator Posted June 20 Posted June 20 Glad everyone OK. Seems like Dan and the passenger were trapped for a while and had to be cut out.
IBob Posted June 20 Posted June 20 (edited) Saw another clip of that........tail wheel not locked. Edited June 20 by IBob
facthunter Posted June 20 Posted June 20 There was no countering rudder applied. Looked to be a challenging strip. It didn't seem to be slowing much. Nev
440032 Posted June 20 Posted June 20 6 hours ago, pmccarthy said: This time with Dan Gryder in the right hand seat. And not a stalk of corn in sight. 6 hours ago, pmccarthy said:
Thruster88 Posted June 20 Posted June 20 27 minutes ago, facthunter said: There was no countering rudder applied. Looked to be a challenging strip. It didn't seem to be slowing much. Nev Rudders were definitely deflected correctly to the right when the swing started. The tail wheel locking mechanism could have failed, think seat locking mechanism. There may still have been air in the brake system if it has a shuttle valve like my Musketeer. The right brake line had been disconnected in the days prior. First flight out of maintenance. I see this aircraft has dropping ailerons with flap extension. When it was probably to late the left aileron is down while the right is neutral, would not have helped. 1
facthunter Posted June 20 Posted June 20 (edited) IF I had to guess I'd go for a braking problem. IF one grabs you can't use any. With a shuttle valve (lockout) incorrect bleed can cause a dragging Brake or NO brake at each extreme. Nev Edited June 20 by facthunter more content.
440032 Posted June 21 Posted June 21 15 hours ago, facthunter said: I must be a bit slow. What's Corn got to do with it? Nev Dan Gryder doing an off airport arrival in a Cessna 150 softly into a corn field. No scarecrows were harmed. His tip was don't stall, fly it alllllllllllllllllll the way into something cheap and soft. And he did. 1
Thruster88 Posted June 21 Posted June 21 22 hours ago, facthunter said: I must be a bit slow. What's Corn got to do with it? Nev They made an approach with 40 flaps then decided to go around. Flaps would not retract, C150 could not climb. The point is Dan did not fly the usual pitch attitude for no flaps, that's not going to work. Some have tried this and died. He flew safe air speed and landed IN THE CORN. 1 1
poteroo Posted June 24 Posted June 24 Maize = Corn. In older UK farming pubs I see 'corn ' being used for wheat grain. Differential power is useful with twin tail draggers as you can keep straight without braking on a wheeler. A touch on either brake will indicate if one is weaker than the other but a grabbing brake is hard to recover from. Tailwheel locked only slows the groundloop but an essential check list item nonetheless. (I'm sure that some C185s I've flown did have a t/w lock control on the central area nr the flap lever.). But keeping some power on the upwind engine is useful, especially as the tail is descending toward t/w contact and the airflow is masked from a single fuselage rudder. 1
danny_galaga Posted July 12 Posted July 12 On 20/06/2024 at 6:44 PM, IBob said: Saw another clip of that........tail wheel not locked. Did he get bored of filming?
Red Posted July 12 Posted July 12 I think he probably reacted to help danny and the footage after it cuts would either be him dropping the camera or it flailing about so wasnt worth showing 2
Thruster88 Posted July 12 Posted July 12 - NTSB issues the preliminary report into the accident involving a Lockheed 12A Electra Junior, N2072, that occurred on June 17, 2024, at Seven Lakes Airport Jackson (62GA), Jackson, Georgia: On June 17, 2024, at 1949 eastern daylight time, a Lockheed 12A airplane, N2072, was substantially damaged when it was involved in an accident near Jackson, Georgia. The flight instructor, commercial pilot, and one passenger were seriously injured. The airplane was operated as a Title 14 Code of Federal Regulations Part 91 personal flight. The airplane was landing on runway 36 at Seven Lakes Airport (62GA), Jackson, Georgia, when the accident occurred. A video of the landing recorded by a witness showed that the airplane veered off the left side of the runway during the landing roll. The airplane subsequently collided with trees. Examination of the airplane at the accident site revealed that the airplane came to rest about 1,682 ft down runway 36, about 50 ft from the left side of the runway. The airplane's cockpit was crushed aft toward the cabin. A tree trunk about 2 ft in circumference was observed within the cockpit. The instrument panel was buckled around the tree trunk. The pilot, co-pilot, and passenger seats were crushed up and aft. All flight control surfaces remained intact, and flight control continuity was traced from the flight control surfaces to the cockpit. The flaps were found in the extended position. The engine throttle controls were in the closed position, the left and right propellers were in the “high pitch/decrease rpm” position, and the left and right engine mixture controls were in the lean position. The left fuel tank selector was in the “OFF” position, while the right fuel tank selector was displaced from the panel, and its position could not be reliably determined. The carburetor heat controls were in the cold position. The flight control lock was released. The tailwheel lock control lever was found in the locked position, but the locking tab mechanism on the tailwheel assembly was unlocked. Examination of the main landing gear braking system revealed that the steel braided brake line B-nut fitting, which connected the right brake caliper to the rigid brake line attached to the right landing gear strut, was finger-tight, and hydraulic fluid was observed leaking from the fitting. The respective B-nut fitting on the left main landing gear was tight and could not be moved by hand. No fluid leakage was observed from this fitting, but hydraulic fluid residue was present around it. The airplane was recovered and retained for further examination - Report: https://data.ntsb.gov/carol-repgen/api/Aviation/ReportMain/GenerateNewestReport/194488/pdf A good reminder to check toe brake pedal pressure before landing an aircraft that is somewhat reliant on brakes for steering, example RV6A. 2 1
danny_galaga Posted July 13 Posted July 13 18 hours ago, Red said: I think he probably reacted to help danny and the footage after it cuts would either be him dropping the camera or it flailing about so wasnt worth showing Ah I see. He did what I was saying I would do in another thread. 1
BrendAn Posted July 13 Posted July 13 It's such a shame when these beautifully restored old planes get smashed. Seems to happen a fair bit in the USA.
Thruster88 Posted July 13 Posted July 13 It would happen at an equal rate around the planet. Humans make mistakes. There is just more of these beautiful old aircraft in north America. 1 2
facthunter Posted July 14 Posted July 14 Trouble is the People familiar with these planes are deceased or OLD and the Planes are old too and Parts can be scarce... There's only a couple of Constellations still flying because the wings are past their use by date. Nev 2
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