BrendAn Posted July 16 Posted July 16 In 1972, the aviation world faced its darkest year, with a staggering 2,373 lives lost in plane accidents. Several tragic incidents contributed to this record number. Here are some of the major accidents: - Iberia Airlines Flight 602 – January 7, 1972 – 104 killed - JAT Flight 367 – January 26, 1972 – 27 killed - Sterling Airways Flight 296 – March 14, 1972 – 112 killed - EgyptAir Flight 763 – March 19, 1972 – 30 killed - Alitalia Flight 112 – May 5, 1972 – 115 killed - Aeroflot Flight 1491 – May 18, 1972 – 122 killed - Japan Airlines Flight 471 – June 14, 1972 – 85 killed - Cathay Pacific Flight 700Z – June 15, 1972 – 81 killed - British European Airways Flight 548 – June 18, 1972 – 118 killed - Prinair Flight 191 – June 24, 1972 – 5 killed - Lake Winnebago mid-air collision – June 29, 1972 – 13 killed - Interflug Ilyushin Il-62 – August 14, 1972 – 156 killed - Burma Airways Douglas C-47 – August 16, 1972 – 25 killed - Aeroflot Flight 558 – August 31, 1972 – 102 killed Aeroflot Flight 1036 – October 1, 1972 – 109 killed Aeroflot Flight 217 – October 13, 1972 – 174 killed Uruguayan Air Force Flight 571 – October 13, 1972 – 29 killed Japan Air Lines Flight 446 – November 28, 1972 – 62 killed Spantax Flight 275 – December 3, 1972 – 155 killed These incidents have shaped the rigorous safety protocols we see today, ensuring safer skies for everyone. Let’s remember those who lost their lives and appreciate the advancements in aviation safety that have followed. What safety measures introduced after 1972 do you think have had the most significant impact on reducing aviation accidents?
BrendAn Posted July 16 Author Posted July 16 what a horrible year that was. 500 of the deaths were flying aeroflot.
Marty_d Posted July 16 Posted July 16 I was born in 1972. Looking at the 4 Aeroflot crashes, I'd hazard a guess that removing vodka from the cockpit may have helped. 3 1
facthunter Posted July 16 Posted July 16 Alitalia does it better with Vino. It's nickname was "Air Lethal" At one stage Garuda was banned from European Airspace. Too many incidents. Nev 1
Bennyboy320 Posted July 16 Posted July 16 CX700Z was due to a bomb onboard, exploded over South Vietnam, insurance scam by an alleged Thai policeman who put his fiancee & daughter on the flight & took out a large policy just before the flight. 1
Thruster88 Posted July 16 Posted July 16 The thing is airline operators gradually improved and stopped doing the things that caused crashes. Meanwhile almost nothing has changed in general aviation pilot performance in the last 50 years. We continue to do the same dumb shite. 1 1
spacesailor Posted July 17 Posted July 17 Not all ' ship ' voyages were " happy ended " . Check SS YONGALA 1911 ( see Wikipedia ) . The story I heard was , The southerly storm chased her up to " cape Bowling Green " , (were they were to take shelter ), they readied the anchor , but it slipped overboard, gripped the floor & pulled the ship under . All were lost and only a dead ' horse ' was recovered . Now a great dive site . spacesailer 1
IBob Posted July 17 Posted July 17 Okay. total thread drift......but take a look at the Great Storm of 1703: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_storm_of_1703 1 1
BrendAn Posted July 17 Author Posted July 17 1 hour ago, IBob said: Okay. total thread drift......but take a look at the Great Storm of 1703: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_storm_of_1703 that was one serious storm,
IBob Posted July 17 Posted July 17 Yep, a huge number of boats and ships lost.....including the entire British Channel Fleet. I read a harrowing account of vessels of all size, trying to anchor off the East of England rather than get wrecked in the surf.....all in sight of each other and some with their anchors dragging, cutting down their masts and rigging and still being dragged. Once they hit the surf they were gone.........you can't float in surf but you can't breathe it either......( 1 1
IBob Posted July 18 Posted July 18 I had the Aeroflot experience in the 80s, Vladivostok to Petropavlovsk. Midwinter at night, looking out over miles of snow with not a single light, thinking we're in trouble if the music stops. We had taxiied out past a whole long row of identical Tupolevs, perhaps the result of Soviet era overproduction? Some of them actually had canvas showing through their tyres. On our flight there was something wrong with the toilet seal, they had a curtain across the toilet bay which blew back at about 30degrees for the entire flight, to the accompaniment of the roar of escaping air. And, while many Russian women are beautiful, the two hostesses on an otherwise all male flight were grim individuals built like heavyweight wrestlers. They strode down the centre aisle without ever turning sideways, and anyone leaving an arm or a shoulder out got slammed with a very big hip. The impression was that they were there to keep order, there were certainly no drinks or food served. We came out about 3months later, unshaven, half crazy and full of vodka. So I don't much recall the flight back.............( 3 1
BrendAn Posted July 18 Author Posted July 18 (edited) On 17/07/2024 at 4:53 AM, Thruster88 said: The thing is airline operators gradually improved and stopped doing the things that caused crashes. Meanwhile almost nothing has changed in general aviation pilot performance in the last 50 years. We continue to do the same dumb shite. thruster 88 put up a great post a while back. here are thrusters big 3 to avoid for a long life in aviation. 1. avoid stalls in all phases of flight. 2. do not fly into imc. 3. don't do low level beat ups. Edited July 18 by BrendAn 1 3
jackc Posted July 18 Posted July 18 And after viewing this last night…..my last trip in the venerable 747 would be my last in a Boeing…..other than an old 737….. https://youtu.be/rvkEpstd9os 2
facthunter Posted July 19 Posted July 19 737's had rudder malfunctions where they went opposite to the Pedals. I avoided ever being endorsed on them purposely.. Nev 2 2
facthunter Posted July 19 Posted July 19 It was caused by a hydraulic servo freezing and locking up. Took a while before they worked that one out. The engines were prone to FOD also because they are low to the ground and I didn't like the FMS. .Nev 1
facthunter Posted July 19 Posted July 19 Airlines did Cockpit Resource Management . That should have improved things some what even though some of the worst cockpit tyrants didn't want it and that showed in how they performed on the courses. Some of that was funny to watch. Nev 1 1
IBob Posted July 19 Posted July 19 1 hour ago, facthunter said: It was caused by a hydraulic servo freezing and locking up. Took a while before they worked that one out. The engines were prone to FOD also because they are low to the ground and I didn't like the FMS. .Nev Sounds like a horror show.........( 49 minutes ago, facthunter said: Airlines did Cockpit Resource Management . That should have improved things some what even though some of the worst cockpit tyrants didn't want it and that showed in how they performed on the courses. Some of that was funny to watch. Nev Egos................. 1
BrendAn Posted July 19 Author Posted July 19 (edited) 6 hours ago, facthunter said: 737's had rudder malfunctions where they went opposite to the Pedals. I avoided ever being endorsed on them purposely.. Nev I watched the aircrash investigations episode on that. Edited July 19 by BrendAn
Thruster88 Posted July 19 Posted July 19 8 hours ago, facthunter said: It was caused by a hydraulic servo freezing and locking up. Took a while before they worked that one out. The engines were prone to FOD also because they are low to the ground and I didn't like the FMS. .Nev An engineer smart enough to design that valve should have been well aware of its shortcomings. It could have locked from freezing or a sliver of metal in the hydraulic system. Not unlike MCAS version 1, seriously what were they thinking, let's allow the system WE designed to drive the trim to full down in the event of a single component failure.
skippydiesel Posted July 19 Posted July 19 On 17/07/2024 at 3:27 PM, spacesailor said: Not all ' ship ' voyages were " happy ended " . Check SS YONGALA 1911 ( see Wikipedia ) . The story I heard was , The southerly storm chased her up to " cape Bowling Green " , (were they were to take shelter ), they readied the anchor , but it slipped overboard, gripped the floor & pulled the ship under . All were lost and only a dead ' horse ' was recovered . Now a great dive site . spacesailer If no survivors ,who told the unlikly anchor story????😈
facthunter Posted July 20 Posted July 20 The coldness caused the rudder actuator to seize on the 737's. Nev
spacesailor Posted July 20 Posted July 20 The divers said, " the anchor chain was laid-out from the bow " . They could have told a Murphy. LoL spacesailor
pmccarthy Posted July 20 Posted July 20 A Murphy is a Furphy that got caught by Murphy's Law. An accidental truth.😸
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