Neil_S Posted August 6 Posted August 6 Hi folks, Not mine, but if anyone is interested there is a Gazelle for sale at Penfield by auction on Thursday August 8th. 1996 Skyfox Gazelle CA25N Ultralight 2 Seater Aircraft Auction (0001-3029867) | Grays Australia WWW.GRAYS.COM Cheers, Neil 1 1
facthunter Posted August 6 Posted August 6 Being VH originally that plane should have all the instruments . Nev
FlyingVizsla Posted August 6 Posted August 6 Will be interesting to see what it goes for. Buyer's premium is 25%!! plus GST! So if it goes for $10k you'll have to get another $2,750 out of your pocket. It says unairworthy, but not why, apart from the engine out of time and hours and the rego lapsed. There's a very early one still flying at Childers. 1
Neil_S Posted August 6 Author Posted August 6 3 hours ago, FlyingVizsla said: Will be interesting to see what it goes for. Buyer's premium is 25%!! plus GST! So if it goes for $10k you'll have to get another $2,750 out of your pocket. It says unairworthy, but not why, apart from the engine out of time and hours and the rego lapsed. There's a very early one still flying at Childers. Hi, It's probably listed as unairworthy as the engine has not been run since before COVID. Engine was running On Condition at 2300 hours. Cheers, Neil 1
Thruster88 Posted August 6 Posted August 6 7 minutes ago, Red said: Engine and airframe hours the same....always gives me a giggle That would be a Rotax. 1
facthunter Posted August 6 Posted August 6 They don't have good deals on exchange or rebuilt engines. Arguably the 80 HP motor was the most reliable unless it's had a prop strike.. Nev 1
Red Posted August 6 Posted August 6 19 minutes ago, Thruster88 said: That would be a Rotax. Sorry, I have no idea what difference that makes to how you record hours??? 1
facthunter Posted August 6 Posted August 6 Use Hobbs meter for both. as long as you stick to the same method. Nev 1 1
jackc Posted August 6 Posted August 6 Seeing the auction company is enough for me to not touch it with a barge pole. 👍 1 1
Garfly Posted August 6 Posted August 6 (edited) 1 hour ago, Red said: Engine and airframe hours the same....always gives me a giggle 1 hour ago, Thruster88 said: That would be a Rotax. 1 hour ago, Red said: Sorry, I have no idea what difference that makes to how you record hours??? No need for apologies Red, but neither is the issue giggle-worthy This PPrune thread shows that (even in Old Blighty) various opinions are abroad as to how times ought be recorded. Show of hands - Logging Engine Hours ?? - PPRuNe Forums WWW.PPRUNE.ORG Private Flying - Show of hands - Logging Engine Hours ?? - Evening All.... What is the Correct way of Logging Engine time ? (Can anyone point me to the CAA Rules regarding this ??) For the past 14 years I... Edited August 6 by Garfly 1
Thruster88 Posted August 6 Posted August 6 5 minutes ago, Garfly said: No call for apologies Red, but neither is the issue giggle-worthy This PPrune thread shows that (even in Old Blighty) various opinions are abroad as to how times ought be recorded. Show of hands - Logging Engine Hours ?? - PPRuNe Forums WWW.PPRUNE.ORG Private Flying - Show of hands - Logging Engine Hours ?? - Evening All.... What is the Correct way of Logging Engine time ? (Can anyone point me to the CAA Rules regarding this ??) For the past 14 years I... In my experience, hours for maintenance purposes are taken by the maintenance organisation from the hobbs or tacho as per maintenance release. 2
onetrack Posted August 6 Posted August 6 (edited) Auction houses will always describe items as "unairworthy", unroadworthy", or even "non-operational", to limit their liability. They would only describe the item as a goer if it was identified as such by the attending paperwork. Even a vehicle with a flat battery is described as "non-operational". They couldn't start it, so it's non-operational to them. I placed a 1000 litre pod of new Shell transmission oil into an auction and the auction house refused to describe it as "new", because it did not have an oil company seal on the bungs. They would only describe it as "used" oil. Of course, no-one is going to bid on used oil, so I withdrew it from the auction. Edited August 6 by onetrack 2 1
Thruster88 Posted August 6 Posted August 6 So this Gazelle should have an hour meter and hopefully logs that agree showing total time less the pilot record of brakes off to brakes on? OK sounds like a sweet deal.
onetrack Posted August 6 Posted August 6 Just keep in mind, this is the same auction house that was recently fined $10M by the ACCC for misleading buyers with regards to the condition and description of their used vehicles. Not only did it cost them a $10M fine, they have to compensate the wronged buyers. I'll wager if the ACCC went further than just vehicles sold by Grays, there would've been a lot more mis-described auction items. Auction Site Grays Slapped With $10M Fine For Misleading Buyers About 750 Cars - B&T WWW.BANDT.COM.AU Real estate agents everywhere in a huge sigh of relief as, yet again, rival used car salesman busted over shonky claims. 3
BrendAn Posted August 6 Posted August 6 corrosion on various parts. 24 reg means new engine i think. worth 3000 but bidders will carried away when they see a new toy to play with.
KRviator Posted August 6 Posted August 6 A new - or even decent second-hand - 912 ain't gonna be cheap! Not worth much more than scrap value, sadly, @BrendAn is dead right, it'll probably go for some ridiculous price only to never fly again when the buyer wises up to what they've just set themselves up for. Shame, those Gazelle's are damn fine little aeroplanes. And is that a chord-wise tear in the skin to boot? 1 1
BrendAn Posted August 6 Posted August 6 plenty of wannabe aviators out there to snap it up and leave it in the shed. a friend of mine had a person look over an ultralight he was selling, said person moved the joystick then asked if it was a manual. 1 1
skippydiesel Posted August 6 Posted August 6 Going to need a complete fabric replacement $$$$$$$ That's one very early Rotax 912 80hp - whats all the oil on the air inlet tube??? Assuming airframe sound(??) as a gift, would still be costly for anyone wanting to put it back in the air - especially as a factory (certified ????) build. Could be garden gnome for someone 1
Red Posted August 6 Posted August 6 2 hours ago, Garfly said: No need for apologies Red, but neither is the issue giggle-worthy This PPrune thread shows that (even in Old Blighty) various opinions are abroad as to how times ought be recorded. Show of hands - Logging Engine Hours ?? - PPRuNe Forums WWW.PPRUNE.ORG Private Flying - Show of hands - Logging Engine Hours ?? - Evening All.... What is the Correct way of Logging Engine time ? (Can anyone point me to the CAA Rules regarding this ??) For the past 14 years I... Yea I know happens all the time over here some even do it by logging engine hours to tally with what there flight time was, always raises a smile when I see times match in adverts Still have no idea what difference abeing a Rotax engine has to do with it Oh and lighten up, I made no inference it was an australian only thing.
BrendAn Posted August 6 Posted August 6 54 minutes ago, Red said: Yea I know happens all the time over here some even do it by logging engine hours to tally with what there flight time was, always raises a smile when I see times match in adverts Still have no idea what difference abeing a Rotax engine has to do with it Oh and lighten up, I made no inference it was an australian only thing. i am not sure what you are saying but here we use the hour meter for our flight time when training. even warmup and taxi are counted as flight time. 1
kgwilson Posted August 6 Posted August 6 The engine is worth nothing, UV has destroyed the top fabric so it's a complete new fabric job, then there is the possible Gazelle wooden hangers issue. The prop looks OK though. I'd take it away for free for nostalgic reasons only. The Gazelle was the first RA aircraft I flew at Skyfox training in Caloundra. Slow & very easy to fly. 3 1 1
Red Posted August 6 Posted August 6 3 hours ago, BrendAn said: i am not sure what you are saying but here we use the hour meter for our flight time when training. even warmup and taxi are counted as flight time. Thats a more honest way to do it , but over here when you see the hours match exactly the same its usually because the owner hasnt fitted a Hobbs and has taken the aircrafts flight hours and written them down as engine hours, which in the space of over 2000hrs can mean a shed load of undocumented engine hours spent warming up, taxiing, given a ground run after oil change etc. 1 1 1
johnm Posted August 7 Posted August 7 misinformation ? ........... when I owned by little Tecnam plane - as my daughter was going to Maroochydore - I asked her to get a box of shell engine oil (with all the tech instructions) - when she was aked what sort of plane it was ......... she said it was a 2 door ...... oil was not purchased in the end 4
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