Crash 29/08/2024 Gympie

[tillmanr]

ABC reporting 24-8818 EFOX collided with mother earth today. 2 occupants injured.

[onetrack]

They were very lucky to survive in that heavy timber. Link to ABC report ....

 

Pair freed from wreckage after light plane crashes east of Gympie - ABC News

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Two Sunshine Coast men were treated at the scene before being taken to hospital after their aircraft came down in a rural area at Coondoo just before 11.30am.

 

 

[BrendAn]

The eurofox at our club is for sale because no one wants to train in it or hire it.  Too sensitive for learners. Perform really well though.

[tillmanr]

I have a few hours in a Eurofox and didn’t think it was difficult at all. Maybe that it is a tail wheel. 

Edited August 29 by tillmanr

[BrendAn]

11 minutes ago, tillmanr said:

I have a few hours in a Eurofox and didn’t think it was difficult at all. Maybe that it is a tail wheel. 

You probably have a lot more hours than us learners. I went up in it twice but found it difficult . I think it would be fantastic if I had more experience and spent a few hrs in it.

 

[edsbar]

From what I hear the paint was barely dry post repairs from the incident where the wheel fell off ....

[Blueadventures]

3 hours ago, onetrack said:

They were very lucky to survive in that heavy timber. Link to ABC report ....

 

Pair freed from wreckage after light plane crashes east of Gympie - ABC News

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Two Sunshine Coast men were treated at the scene before being taken to hospital after their aircraft came down in a rural area at Coondoo just before 11.30am.

 

 

Agree; has hit hard.  Glad they are ok.

[Thruster88]

Final destination appears to be a short strip surrounded by timber.

[Red]

Looks Nasty, hope they both make a full recovery

[Blueadventures]

4 hours ago, Thruster88 said:

Final destination appears to be a short strip surrounded by timber.

From Life flight helicopter crew that attended 

"The Bundaberg-based LifeFlight aeromedical crew airlifted a man to hospital this afternoon, after the plane he was in crashed in the Gympie region.

It’s believed the pilot was on a training flight exercise when the aircraft careered off the runway and landed in trees upside down at the end of the strip.

The patient, aged in their 20s, was transported to Sunshine Coast University Hospital for further treatment."

 

From my experience flying Gliders at Gympie the terrain is extremely undulating and very wind and low rolling ground rotor effecting landings.

Edited August 29 by Blueadventures

[Chris SS]

11 hours ago, edsbar said:

From what I hear the paint was barely dry post repairs from the incident where the wheel fell off ....

It would be interesting to know if this was related to the repair….

[Thruster88]

15 minutes ago, Blueadventures said:

From Life flight helicopter crew that attended 

"The Bundaberg-based LifeFlight aeromedical crew airlifted a man to hospital this afternoon, after the plane he was in crashed in the Gympie region.

It’s believed the pilot was on a training flight exercise when the aircraft careered off the runway and landed in trees upside down at the end of the strip.

The patient, aged in their 20s, was transported to Sunshine Coast University Hospital for further treatment."

 

From my experience flying Gliders at Gympie the terrain is extremely undulating and very wind and low rolling ground rotor effecting landings.

FR24 shows landing well east of gympie township.

[Love to fly]

13 hours ago, BrendAn said:

The eurofox at our club is for sale because no one wants to train in it or hire it.  Too sensitive for learners. Perform really well though.

I'm surprised at this.  I've never flown one but, there are 2 at the RAAus school here on the Murray.  Several friends have done their ab initio training in them and I don't know anyone who has had any problems.  We're at the airport and they seem to be flying a lot.

[BrendAn]

4 hours ago, Love to fly said:

I'm surprised at this.  I've never flown one but, there are 2 at the RAAus school here on the Murray.  Several friends have done their ab initio training in them and I don't know anyone who has had any problems.  We're at the airport and they seem to be flying a lot.

Maybe if I started in one I would not know any different, buts it's not just me that doesn't like it. But like I said earlier I think it would be a great AC once one got used to it . 

[Thruster88]

A messed up go round on a short one way strip. What is a one way strip?

 

OCCURRENCE SUBMITTED TO DETAILS RAAUS: The CFI and instructor were on approach to a one-way private strip in an instructor training exercise. The aircraft bounced upon landing with limited opportunity to recover with election to attempt to go around being unsuccessful. The aircraft clipped the tree tops.

[pluessy]

16 minutes ago, Thruster88 said:

What is a one way strip?

A landing strip where you land, turn the aircraft around and take off in the direction you came from. Many one way strips have rising ground or other obstacles at one end that can make it impossible to complete a go-around. Look at the topographie of the "Finch Hatton strip", mountain on the S side that you will not outclimb.

 

[RFguy]

There is a thing I think needs more focus on in classrooms and teaching.

 

I call  ' dead man's height " where at about 10 feet you can stall  and break to the main gear.

We've all been very close to it at some point in our flying during landing and training .

either  --------you flared too early and you're still 10-15 feet above the ground but now speed / energy has decayed and you're only just at flying speed above the stall, 

OR - you bounced...

this is a problem  : 

i)  you cant do another flare,- the flare is an exchange of energy and there's no excess energy (speed)  available to do this.  

ii)  and the speed will decay  (while you are 10-15 feet in the air) to below stall before you come down to the ground . wing drop or sudden whole aircraft drop. 

iii) and you cant point the nose toward the ground to get it down because  you'll likely smack the nose on the ground -- as a nose down will kill any lift you have with sudden  reducing the AoA and drop u like a stone on the nose.

Human reaction time isnt good enough to point nose at the ground from 10 feet away  and then immediately bring it into some precision save. 

 

If you are *lucky*, the aircraft will drop close enough the ground  into ground effect and buy our aircraft  a few more knots  before stall. Likely is you'll pancake on the mains and the nose.

This save is more arse than class.

 

If you bounced because you had way too much airspeed on the first touchdown , and IF you know the airplane well and have experience,  there's probably just enough for a 2nd flare/landing. It will still be a bit ugly and heavy. 

You might think you can  add a little throttle but this can leave you not falling but still decaying airspeed because the aircraft is in a high drag configuration (high AoA, flaps) 

 

So, the decision has to be made for a committed go around  a few knots above the critical speed.  Down near the stall, aircraft control is usually sluggish and woeful,  so dont wait till its like that !

 

This brings me back to non go-around strips.  There has to be committment. And with that there needs to be precision with the approach (stabilised) , caution and preparedness and some rehearsed in your head actions. 

 

 

Edited September 9 by RFguy

[Blueadventures]

27 minutes ago, RFguy said:

There is a thing I think needs more focus on in classrooms and teaching.

 

I call  ' dead man's height " where at about 10 feet you can stall  and break to the main gear.

We've all been very close to it at some point in our flying during landing and training .

either  --------you flared too early and you're still 10-15 feet above the ground but now speed / energy has decayed and you're only just at flying speed above the stall, 

OR - you bounced...

this is a problem  : 

i)  you cant do another flare,- the flare is an exchange of energy and there's no excess energy (speed)  available to do this.  

ii)  and the speed will decay  (while you are 10-15 feet in the air) to below stall before you come down to the ground . wing drop or sudden whole aircraft drop. 

iii) and you cant point the nose toward the ground to get it down because  you'll likely smack the nose on the ground -- as a nose down will kill any lift you have with sudden  reducing the AoA and drop u like a stone on the nose.

Human reaction time isnt good enough to point nose at the ground from 10 feet away  and then immediately bring it into some precision save. 

 

If you are *lucky*, the aircraft will drop close enough the ground  into ground effect and buy our aircraft  a few more knots  before stall. Likely is you'll pancake on the mains and the nose.

This save is more arse than class.

 

If you bounced because you had way too much airspeed on the first touchdown , and IF you know the airplane well and have experience,  there's probably just enough for a 2nd flare/landing. It will still be a bit ugly and heavy. 

You might think you can  add a little throttle but this can leave you not falling but still decaying airspeed because the aircraft is in a high drag configuration (high AoA, flaps) 

 

So, the decision has to be made for a committed go around  a few knots above the critical speed.  Down near the stall, aircraft control is usually sluggish and woeful,  so dont wait till its like that !

 

This brings me back to non go-around strips.  There has to be committment. And with that there needs to be precision with the approach (stabilised) , caution and preparedness and some rehearsed in your head actions. 

 

 

For the tight ones I find I need to be on the numbers on base and keep there through turn onto final etc; comment not to be taken as any form of instruction. 

[RFguy]

yeah but some of these strips you want something different.... like flying in across a deep ravine, I think that's a engine-idle glide  approach , so you will make it and not fly into the side of the mountain if you have a failure.