Crash at Bacchus Marsh 22/10/2024

[djpacro]

37 minutes ago, FlyBoy1960 said:

... the word ultralight. The media love to use that word to describe ...

Good because that is a correct term. Types of sport aircraft and activities | Civil Aviation Safety Authority

 

14 hours ago, Thruster88 said:

For day Visual Flight Rules single engine aircraft, never allow the aircraft to stall spin even when there might be some distraction from say an engine failure, sick passenger or a moose on the ground. Don't fly in cloud. Don't hoon, low flying etc. That would cover 90% of all fatals for this class of aircraft. Airspeed is life. ..

That requires adequate training in stall/spin avoidance, as well as stall recovery. I see quite a few flight schools which teach to pass the test rather than teach to the required standard. I encounter many flight instructors who do not know how to recover from a stall in a turn or a climbing stall.

 

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... I suspect the accident at Baccus is a stall given the position of the wreckage relative to the runway.

We should discuss further after the ATSB report. My guess is that, if a stall, that the pilot had never had any training in that scenario, just the common practice stalls.

Edited October 24 by djpacro
added climbing stall

[sfGnome]

Frank and Thruster’s posts struck a chord with me, and could possibly be summarised as:

 

Things that I think will kill me

1. Midair collision 
2. Structural failure 
3. Engine failure

Things that will actually kill me

1. Unintentional stall
2. Flight into cloud
3. Low flight/hooning

[sfGnome]

Double post

Edited October 25 by sfGnome

[pmccarthy]

12 hours ago, FrankPilot said:

Could you tell me which of the dozen airfields are your favourites. I would like to try them myself because around my base of Tyabb there are not many. Cheers.

Within an hour of Kyneton at 110 knots, I can fly to Bendigo, Echuca, Tocumwal, Shepparton, Benalla, Millawa, Ballarat, Ararat, Riddel, Penfield, Melton, Lethbridge, Colac, Maryborough, Stawell, Kerang, Pyramid Hill. Probably a few others I can't think of. My favourites would be Ararat (coffee), Maryborough (always quiet), Tocumwal (coffee), Millawa (lunch), Melton (burger). Used to be Bendigo, Echuca and Shepparton but they brought in landing fees. Wherever you are going, you can check Notams and permission in the air if it is an hour away.

[spacesailor]

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Edited October 25 by spacesailor
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[BrendAn]

2 hours ago, sfGnome said:

Frank and Thruster’s posts struck a chord with me, and could possibly be summarised as:

 

Things that I think will kill me

1. Midair collision 
2. Structural failure 
3. Engine failure

Things that will actually kill me

1. Unintentional stall
2. Flight into cloud
3. Low flight/hooning

What about wife that discovers what you spent on flying.

[FrankPilot]

9 minutes ago, BrendAn said:

What about wife that discovers what you spent on flying.

A major headache, but not life-threatening (at least in my case)! Cheers.

[Love to fly]

2 hours ago, pmccarthy said:

Within an hour of Kyneton at 110 knots, I can fly to Bendigo, Echuca, Tocumwal, Shepparton, Benalla, Millawa, Ballarat, Ararat, Riddel, Penfield, Melton, Lethbridge, Colac, Maryborough, Stawell, Kerang, Pyramid Hill. Probably a few others I can't think of. My favourites would be Ararat (coffee), Maryborough (always quiet), Tocumwal (coffee), Millawa (lunch), Melton (burger). Used to be Bendigo, Echuca and Shepparton but they brought in landing fees. Wherever you are going, you can check Notams and permission in the air if it is an hour away.

Have you managed to get permission for Milawa while on the way there?  As well as the required update on the strip?  Genuinely interested.

[sfGnome]

Only time I’ve flown into Milawa (long time ago, so may have changed), I had to get written permission in advance. 

[FrankPilot]

48 minutes ago, sfGnome said:

Only time I’ve flown into Milawa (long time ago, so may have changed), I had to get written permission in advance. 

Went about a year ago. Got permission online. Also rang to double check. Beautiful grass strip. Great Brown Brothers winery, cafe, restaurant - my wife’s favourite. Going again soon. Cheers.

[Love to fly]

5 minutes ago, FrankPilot said:

Went about a year ago. Got permission online. Also rang to double check. Beautiful grass strip. Great Brown Brothers winery, cafe, restaurant - my wife’s favourite. Going again soon. Cheers.

Yep. We've been a few times. But always had to send in form prior, and check on the day as per their website. If there's a way to do it enroute, ir even on the day I can see us going there more often. 

Edited October 25 by Love to fly

[kgwilson]

I used to fly in all sorts of weather and sometimes to deadlines. I don't do this any more & should never have done it. I was just lucky. Now I fly when conditions are good. After all I fly for fun. Building my own aircraft was an achievement I thought I'd never get to. You have to make things happen. I have lots a personal minimums like my reserve is an hours fuel. I always do a personal IMSAFE before deciding to fly. Sometimes the day looks fantastic but for some reason I don't don't feel enthusiastic enough so I do something else. Flying means you have to be on top of your game at all times. I got Shingles in August & haven't flown since. It is nearly gone but not quite so I don't pass IMSAFE though most of the rest of my life is back to pretty much normal.

 

I've seen people come unstuck because they thought they were better than they actually were. I detest show offs. When I have a passenger I fly conservatively. I have never had a passenger who did not want to fly with me again but I have flown with others who wanted to impress me & I have never flown with them again.

 

I have always liked the statement attributed to Captain Alfred Gilmer Lamplugh, C.B.E., F.R.Ae.S, M.I.Ae.S., M.C.A.I., F.R.G.S. a WW1 pilot & Principle Surveyor for The British Aviation Insurance Co., Ltd back in the 1920s

 

“Aviation in itself is not inherently dangerous. But to an even greater degree than the sea, it is terribly unforgiving of any carelessness, incapacity or neglect.”

[red750]

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