RAA BFR using tablet

[Geoff_H]

Is navigation training for RAA allowed with GPS?

[facthunter]

I think you would still have to do it the old way to prove you can. . Nev

[spacesailor]

Marine always said to use the old way .

But , after dropping a $ 1,500 sextant.  I would rather drop a $500 gps unit .

That sextant had a lanyard that parted , when I Had to grab a handhold .

spacesailor

PS. : sextant was ( out of alignment ) repairable for over $ 500 .

[Geoff_H]

Thanks.  Just what I wanted to know. I have had my GA since the early 1980's. Then I did all my flying  FullSAR. Since 2000 all my flying has been via the magenta line.  Since 2007 via 430 into autopilot.  It has come time to do my biannual flight review.  This time, for the first time, I have been asked to do 3 hours of desk office review plus a 2 hour navigation solely on visual.  First I find that NDB and VOR has nearly disappeared, I used these heavily before GPS.  Now this is going to cost me serious money.  So I am looking at a rec licence, I don't do long navigation flights any more and essentially only on my own or with a friend.  So the question is if I have to do it for GA why not abandon GA for Recreational flying?  I assume that I would still have to do a navigation exercise,  maybe not so long, and the desk exam pass, is this so?  If my GA licence has not got a BFR what restrictions would I have on a recreational licence?  What medical would I need in the future?  I now have a class 2, it is very expensive with a yearly stress test and heart ultrasound. Needed for age alone reasons.

[rodgerc]

I currently hold both GA and RA licenses/certificates….My current aircraft is registered with RA and once the CTA endorsement becomes a reality, I’ll cease doing a GA BFR.
About a decade ago when I “transitioned” to RA, it took around 5h dual and 1-2/2h of solo.
During COVID my B777 check captain next door neighbour, took 6h of training to acquire his RA pilot’s certificate. 

If you don’t already have your RA qualification, it might be more “economical” to do the GA BFR navex’s. 

[gareth lacey]

Get the class 5 ga self declared medical  easy to get if no medical problems

[facthunter]

To be sure you should check with the RAAus. GPS procedures  using TSO'd equipment are part of an IF Rating which can be on a private licence. PIFR which is better than Night VFR by far. There is often a reluctance for checking types to DO Night VMC and I don't blame them..   RAAus take a GA bfr to cover their requirements but it may not cover 2 stroke and draggy types.  Nev

[Thruster88]

I did my last Aeroplane Flight Review, AFR in the RV6 to cover both VH and RAAus. I told the instructor who doesn't let anything slide that I would be using my tablet because that is the way I fly now, he said no problem as long as you can demonstrate competence. 

[RossK]

When I did my RPL flight reveiw, it was all on the Tablet. Only requirement was I had a backup - another tablet or paper charts.

 

[Garfly]

On 05/11/2024 at 1:43 PM, Geoff_H said:

Thanks.  Just what I wanted to know. I have had my GA since the early 1980's. Then I did all my flying  FullSAR. Since 2000 all my flying has been via the magenta line.  Since 2007 via 430 into autopilot.  It has come time to do my biannual flight review.  This time, for the first time, I have been asked to do 3 hours of desk office review plus a 2 hour navigation solely on visual.  First I find that NDB and VOR has nearly disappeared, I used these heavily before GPS.  Now this is going to cost me serious money.  So I am looking at a rec licence, I don't do long navigation flights any more and essentially only on my own or with a friend.  So the question is if I have to do it for GA why not abandon GA for Recreational flying?  I assume that I would still have to do a navigation exercise,  maybe not so long, and the desk exam pass, is this so?  If my GA licence has not got a BFR what restrictions would I have on a recreational licence?  What medical would I need in the future?  I now have a class 2, it is very expensive with a yearly stress test and heart ultrasound. Needed for age alone reasons.

I'm a bit surprised that you would - or even could - be required to undergo such a demanding, costly and wrongheaded BFR. In my opinion, their insistence on your having to use way-out-of-date, and demonstrably less reliable, less safe nav methods seems weird.  Some kind of confirmation rite of yore. That's no way to test for competence and safe airmanship in today's complex aviation environment. (Even if there's still a case to be made for ab initio training in the old ways.) I'd be interested to know which arm of CASA did the deciding on this - and on what basis.  Is this normal? In any case, AFAIK, you'd not be required to do any nav test as part of your conversion to RAAus.

 

So I guess you'd be trading in your Mooney, then, for something more on the ultra end of things.  ;- )

 

[facthunter]

Credit from GA subjects goes to RAAus, but not the other way around I can't see anything wrong with that. GA licences are ICAO compliant. Go To doesn't get you onto the original track. The 1 in 60 rule is good to know and apply. and glide slope uses 3000 ft height loss / for each 10 NM of distance. There's a binding rule in aviation. NEVER depend on only ONE source of information. Back it up with some other different means.  Nev

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[Bosi72]

3 hours ago, facthunter said:

Go To doesn't get you onto the original track

unless you push "Direct To" button twice 🙂

[facthunter]

Don't think I had that on my Garmin.   Anyhow unless you are over large stretches of water where one wave looks very much like any other, it seems like" by reference to features"  gives more reality to the process and a sense of where you are. More awareness of what you are flying over. We are all by nature LAZY and tend to cut some corners as we find out how or presume it will  be Right." I'm so experienced I don't need to bother with THAT stuff, any more" .  Nev