Slovenia's GOGETAIR tests MOSAIC-ready turboprop.

[Garfly]

 

 

 

 

Might even become RAAus ready one day.

 

RAAus to go the Full MOSAIC - Australian Flying

WWW.AUSTRALIANFLYING.COM.AU

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RAAus is aiming to be allowed to administer aircraft that comply fully with the new MOSAIC regulations.

 

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QzO62xyjepg

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7My16WEnaPY

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yS9K1QO2Ekg

 

[FlyBoy1960]

They are smart people over there !

[facthunter]

IF you want all these things, Go with the CASA. instead of "Hoping" for these things by the BACK door and getting on with what the Majority want and looking after the "Simpler and cheaper" people too.. Was the AUF RAAus  just taken over "Hijacked" for a "Foot in the Door". to "The NEW GA?) 

[turboplanner]

5 minutes ago, facthunter said:

IF you want all these things, Go with the CASA. instead of "Hoping" for these things by the BACK door and getting on with what the Majority want and looking after the "Simpler and cheaper" people too.. Was the AUF RAAus  just taken over "Hijacked" for a "Foot in the Door". to "The NEW GA?) 

Someone said there was no point in having a dog and barking yourself.

[Thruster88]

The Gogetair g750 rotax piston aircraft looks very nice but the price, um,  298,000 us dollars. That's like half a million in aussie. Makes any used RV seem exceptional value.

 

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Edited December 28, 2024 by Thruster88

[facthunter]

Turbine is a giant Leap in safety, but at what cost? . Needs to be pressurised to gat maximum benefit also. . Can we get REAL?  Join SAAA and go VH experimental if you want "Different Stuff".   WARBIRDS are.  Nev

[onetrack]

I will be as old as Methuselah before I see a European-built aircraft that can be described as "affordable" in Australia. A lot of people forget there's a thing called "old money" in Europe, where a substantial number of the population have pocket money to burn on "toys", that would buy a luxury waterfront mansion on the Gold Coast. This market is very attractive to small aircraft manufacturers, where the primary input is what we called "cubic dollars" (not cubic inches) in speedway racing.

[Garfly]

17 minutes ago, facthunter said:

Turbine is a giant Leap in safety, but at what cost? . Needs to be pressurised to gat maximum benefit also. . Can we get REAL?  Join SAAA and go VH experimental if you want "Different Stuff".   WARBIRDS are.  Nev

 

Who is the "you" you're addressing here?  This "you", for one, WANTS or needs neither WARBIRDS nor TURBINES; just happens to be interested in most things aviation. 

No need to go aggressive.

 

[facthunter]

The Aggressive is just your interpretation.. Can't we discuss anything HERE without such allegations?  I've always Promoted the safety of turbines. I get heaped on any time I go off other than Little stuff.  We can't have it both ways. 

Let's have some fairness and consistency or it's not a pleasant place to come to.. I talk about AEROPLANES most of all . Isn't that our common bond?  Nev

[Garfly]

Just now, facthunter said:

I talk about AEROPLANES most of all . Isn't that our common bond?  Nev

That's exactly what I mean.

 

[facthunter]

Maybe we are a declining minority?  We've lost so many from this forum..  I've been here from the beginning and it's now very different.  Nev

[Garfly]

Yes, different ... however, the idea of trying out turbines in recreational aircraft has been a recurring topic over the years.

I'm a bit fascinated that folks are still determined to give it a go despite the many obstacles.

As red750 posted recently, even the Wilson Explorer II homebuilt from 25 years ago flirted with PT6 power.

 

 

 

 

Edited December 28, 2024 by Garfly

[facthunter]

We will need something much smaller and they are much less efficient. so far.  The PT6 is a free spool engine and considered very reliable. Nev

[BurnieM]

Price is in the ballpark.

 

A 4 seater Sling TSI with Rotax 916 is over AU$500,000.

 

[facthunter]

Ballpark for RAAus types? More bang for the Buck in something simpler.  IF you want to roar through the sky, Go by Airline.. It's cheaper than by Train.  Nev

[BurnieM]

It is a 4 seater so yes for this new type.

 

A factory built Mtow 600 Sling 2 with 912uls is AU$300,000.

[turboplanner]

1 hour ago, facthunter said:

The Aggressive is just your interpretation.. Can't we discuss anything HERE without such allegations?  I've always Promoted the safety of turbines. I get heaped on any time I go off other than Little stuff.  We can't have it both ways. 

Let's have some fairness and consistency or it's not a pleasant place to come to.. I talk about AEROPLANES most of all . Isn't that our common bond?  Nev

Well it is RECREATIONALFLYING if that's what you're after. To be fair the top end of recreational can afford turbines and come down another step and there's a group that can afford bitzers that do over 150 kts but are not up to the GA cross country aircraft equipment level and so on.

[skippydiesel]

3 hours ago, onetrack said:

I will be as old as Methuselah before I see a European-built aircraft that can be described as "affordable" in Australia. A lot of people forget there's a thing called "old money" in Europe, where a substantial number of the population have pocket money to burn on "toys", that would buy a luxury waterfront mansion on the Gold Coast. This market is very attractive to small aircraft manufacturers, where the primary input is what we called "cubic dollars" (not cubic inches) in speedway racing.

 

1 hour ago, BurnieM said:

Price is in the ballpark.

 

A 4 seater Sling TSI with Rotax 916 is over AU$500,000.

 

Sling 4 seats should be compared with GA 4 seat aircraft, not RAA 2 seat.

 

Do your homework: a base specification A factory built ATEC Faeta 912 ULS, T tail, Max TO 600 kg, Empty weight 300 kg (nominal), 2x50L wing tanks, would set you back well under $200,000 Au, about 6-9 months ago (no longer agent, so a bit of a guess) I would expect the kit to be significantly less. Au Dollar plummeted since then.

Nothing wrong with Sling aircraft, however they do have an excellent marketing department. In many ways the aircraft version of a Harley, 90 % advertising. The Faeta using same engine, (very similar in appearance) cruises 15 Kn faster, Stalls 11 Kn slower and has a higher "payload"

[BurnieM]

My understanding is mosaic is about heavier LSAs and more passengers on self declared medicals.

 

Will be interesting to see what that turns into here.

 

Edited December 28, 2024 by BurnieM

[Garfly]

1 hour ago, BurnieM said:

My understanding is mosaic is about heavier LSAs and more passengers on self declared medicals.

Will be interesting to see what that turns into here.

 

I was interested to read that RAAus was positioning itself as the masters of Mosaic in Oz (Australian Flying Mag article in the OP)

They're definitely going for the top end of town.

 

Anyway, I'm pretty impressed by the pluck and audacity of Mr Gogetair. He surely wouldn't risk the turbine project if he wasn't an incurable aviation addict.

After all, he was doing fine with Rotax for his G750 aircraft.

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QzO62xyjepg

 

[Blueadventures]

3 hours ago, BurnieM said:

It is a 4 seater so yes for this new type.

 

A factory built Mtow 600 Sling 2 with 912uls is AU$300,000.

Foxbats can be $240k and $120k second hand, info from Foxbat about 3 weeks ago.  I forget the price of a new Jab 230 but over $150k from memory.  Factory built Nynja is about $135k (includes freight and duty) Prices are getting up there.

[facthunter]

When you decided to go RAAus you didn't expect to be flying High speed planes and turbo props, be honest. the restrictive stall speed and weights make this unlikely. IF they Push this envelope YOU will PAY more simply because of the complexity structurally and aerodynamically. People at Management ALWAYS like to be at the Vanguard of development  because of their EGO's, but I don't think it MATCHES at All our AIM of safe and affordable Flying. Let those who want it, PAY for it. Like a Toll road. USER Pays. Before you know it the Basic Pilots will be the Poor Cousins nobody wants to acknowledge or talk to.  You will THEN need a NEW AUF or something that serves YOUR interests. and we'll start all over again. McCormick stuffed this show.  Nev

[Red]

One thing with very small 2 seaters using turbines is Fuel..even with the lower install weight of the engine small wings going slow can only lift so much  and so you start losing the whole rang efficiency thing of high altitude flight as you can't stay up there long enough

 

Go slightly bigger and faster and it starts working

 

Who wouldnt like one of these?....https://legendaircraft.com/😁

 

 

Lol, just saw the akroprovic titanium exhaust, they make a load of motorcycle exhausts, they cost an arm and a leg

 

Edited December 28, 2024 by Red

[Thruster88]

50 minutes ago, Red said:

One thing with very small 2 seaters using turbines is Fuel..even with the lower install weight of the engine small wings going slow can only lift so much  and so you start losing the whole rang efficiency thing of high altitude flight as you can't stay up there long enough

 

Go slightly bigger and faster and it starts working

 

Who wouldnt like one of these?....https://legendaircraft.com/😁

 

 

Lol, just saw the akroprovic titanium exhaust, they make a load of motorcycle exhausts, they cost an arm and a leg

 

Turbotech is claiming cruise fuel consumption of 20lph @50% oof 141 hp.  If true, that is very close to the 100hp rotax 912 @75% . We know the rotax burns 18lph at that power setting. 

 

https://www.turbotech-aero.com/solutions/

[Red]

Wow! Thanks Thruster, I missed that bit.

Those sort of numbers (if reliable of course) change everything