Another airliner crash - South Korea

[red750]

At least 29 are dead after a plane carrying 181 people crashed off a runway and smashed into a wall at a South Korean airport.  

 

For reporrt with video, followed by other accident clips, click here.

[red750]

An updated report...

 

https://au.yahoo.com/news/passengers-being-rescued-plane-crashed-005000634.html

[pmccarthy]

From the video I think most will be dead.

[onetrack]

I wonder what kind of idiocy prevailed for the Koreans to construct a brick wall at the end of the runway? The aircraft looked like it would've made a relatively good belly landing if it wasn't for that brick wall. It just exploded into a fireball the instant it hit it. The death toll is currently 62 and still rising - like PMC, I'll be surprised if there's any survivors.

 

A South Korean airliner has reportedly crashed

WWW.9NEWS.COM.AU

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A South Korean airliner flying from Bangkok has reportedly crashed during landing.

 

[Marty_d]

ABC update says all bar 2 dead.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-12-29/live-updates-plane-crashes-south-korean-muan-airport/104769186#live-blog-post-142635

Yes if that brick wall (or other obstacles) wasn't there, it would have been a far better outcome 

[Bosi72]

Can't find the landing video, but found the photo of the aircraft tail close to approach lights, assuming on the other side of the runway. Knowing that jet runways are over 2km long, I wonder what was the approach speed, how far from the threshold they landed, what sort of chemicals(foam) they used(if any) that enabled aircraft to skid that far. Looks like there was no friction between aircraft and surfaces (bitumen, soil).. Curious to read report.

[facthunter]

I don't think they lay foam these days.  IF the spoilers don't deploy you won't get much braking effect. I can't get the Vid. Reverse thrust is most effective used early.  Nev

[Thruster88]

FR24 shows aircraft HL8088 as flight 7C2216, the last jet to land at Muan making a normal straight in approach. One would think the gear failure to extend would result in some holding while the problem might be resolved and to allow emergency services to get organised. The CVR and FDR will tell the real story.

[Marty_d]

Video on the ABC link provided above.  Click on "show more posts".

 

Nose seemed to be reasonably high all the way down the runway.  Wonder if that contributed to it going so far.

[facthunter]

I don't have any vid. Without spoiled deployment there could still be a lot of lift.  Nev

[Bosi72]

Thanks for the video link. If my calculations are correct, they landed about half runway, and had ~1300m from touch down to wall. With spoilers and thrust reversers on, although not sure how efficient.

[skippydiesel]

Media is reporting, officials speculating a  bid strike causing undercarriage to fail???? Taking advice from the Russian????😈

[BrendAn]

the news video on 9 showed an engine spitting flames when it flew over this may have been the bird strike ?

[Moneybox]

It was on the second landing attempt and they only touched down halfway down the runway?

 

It certainly seemed to be scooting along with very little reduction in speed. I think there might have been more than a landing gear problem. Was it still under power?

[pmccarthy]

Good analysis here…

 

[onetrack]

Click on the fuzzy photo in my last post above, and it brings up the Channel 9 news site, and the first video is a clear video of the belly landing and crash through the brick wall. Marty is correct, there's only 2 survivors, both crew members.

[red750]

The heartbreaking last words of a passenger on the doomed Jeju Air flight that crashed, so far killing 179, have been revealed.  

 

Jeju Air flight 7C2216, arriving from the Thai capital Bangkok with 181 people on board, was attempting to land shortly after 9 a.m. (0000 GMT) at South Korea's Muan International Airport when it veered off the runway and erupted in a fireball as it slammed into a wall. 

 

A passenger texted a relative to say a bird was stuck in the wing of the plane, the News1 agency reported. The person's final message was, 'Should I say my last words?' 

 

The crash is the worst by any South Korean airline since a 1997 Korean Air crash in Guam that killed more than 200 people, according to transportation ministry data. 

 

The twin-engine Boeing 737-800 can be seen in video from local media skidding down the runway with no apparent landing gear before slamming into a wall in an explosion of flame and debris. Other photos showed smoke and fire engulfing parts of the plane. 

[WayneL]

Apart from the U/C being up there also appears to be no flaps and slats deployed in the landing configuration. Halfway down the runway with so much speed.....will be interesting to see the outcome from the investigation.

[Methusala]

Should an aircraft delay attempts to land untill excess fuel has been burned/dumped?

[onetrack]

I understand that is SOP for any aircraft where it is determined by the crew that they can safely continue flight until the excess fuel is consumed (or dumped, if the dump ability is available to them).

But it appears that this landing was an urgent emergency landing as indicated by landing with a tailwind. So perhaps the aircraft had suffered control damage or other major damage, that the crew determined was serious enough to warrant an immediate landing. We won't know until more information is available from the authorities. I have seen/read nothing about what type of emergency was declared by the crew.

[facthunter]

The CVR might take a while to unravel but the  other flight data recorder is recovered. I confess I have no idea what could have happened. Could the Power have still been UP after contact. How violent  was the initial contact with the runway?  Nev

[onetrack]

Some more useful videos below. All the signs point to a messed-up emergency landing, they forgot to lower the gear, floated for a long way down the runway before they finally belly-flopped onto the tarmac, and by then it was all too late.

They had too much speed on for where they touched down. The CVR record will be interesting, not the first time there was panic and confusion in the cabin - and it appears they'd been on duty for quite a while, too.

 

But the simple fact remains, those who constructed the solid-concrete-with-earth-berm-reinforcement for the localiser should be lined up and shot. The brick perimeter wall of the airport would have posed no major threat to a sliding B737, it was the solid earth berm and the massive concrete under it, at the localiser, that caused this dreadful loss of life.

 

 

 

 

[Moneybox]

Looked like a very gentle landing. You'd be thinking you were pretty safe at that point but they carried their speed for a very long way as if it was assisted by the engines. If only they'd had the room to slide on the soil it might have stopped without much damage and perhaps no fire at all.

[facthunter]

Take a lot more distance than was remaining. Still going very fast and the nose surprisingly high unless power was still on.   WE will find out what happened. Nev

[turboplanner]

1 hour ago, facthunter said:

Take a lot more distance than was remaining. Still going very fast and the nose surprisingly high unless power was still on.   WE will find out what happened. Nev

Was that engine thrust we could hear or just scaping metal?