turboplanner Posted January 5 Posted January 5 (edited) On 05/01/2025 at 8:37 PM, jackc said: While in the U.S. the FAA seem to be happy with the performance of its FAR Part 103 Aviation Sector, that has all, its rules on ONE A4 page, needs NO Pilot licence, but manages all its own Training , in minimalist Aircraft, without FAA interference. WHERE have we gone wrong? Expand I already mentioned your campaign in raising FAR Part 103 in Australia was a waste of time because we already had the equivalent to this US category, yet every time we open this site there it is stuck in people's faces, in RAA Ltd faces, in CASA faces, in ATC faces, in GA faces. When something like the current attacks are launched - there it is drawing attention to something we don't do and can't accept under our laws. Our RA categories have been developed to say that our bad old days are gone, so it's inappropriate for uninformed commentators to publicly run RA down as "hobby pilots" when producing figures that show RA is safer than GA. Edited January 5 by turboplanner 1
BrendAn Posted January 5 Posted January 5 On 05/01/2025 at 9:11 PM, turboplanner said: I already mentioned your campaign in raising FAR Part 103 in Australia was a waste of time because we already had the equivalent to this US category, yet every time we open this site there it is stuck in people's faces, in RAA Ltd faces, in CASA faces, in ATC faces, in GA faces. When something like the current attacks are launched - there it is drawing attention to something we don't do and can't accept under our laws. Our RA categories have been developed to say that our bad old days are gone, so it's inappropriate for uninformed commentators to publicly run RA down as "hobby pilots" when producing figures that show RA is safer than GA. Expand We don't have the equivalent to 103. Are you talking about the early category. 300ft ceiling . No flight over bitumen rds.
turboplanner Posted January 5 Posted January 5 On 05/01/2025 at 9:25 PM, BrendAn said: We don't have the equivalent to 103. Are you talking about the early category. 300ft ceiling . No flight over bitumen rds. Expand No I'm not and now is no time to start questioning categories that have worked well and demonstrated their safety in design, construction and operation for decades. 1
jackc Posted January 5 Posted January 5 On 05/01/2025 at 9:44 PM, turboplanner said: No I'm not and now is no time to start questioning categories that have worked well and demonstrated their safety in design, construction and operation for decades. Expand It’s becoming prohibitively expensive to be in the RAA sector with all its increasing rules, even an MARAP cost of $1000 or so dollars to change a prop. That MARAP has to be renewed? Correct me if I am wrong. Go RPL with 5 hours training, convert to VH for no cost, join SAAA and maintain own aircraft, I m not sure of specifics? WHY so much derision for FAR Part 103 U.S. it’s affordable Aviation with a plethora of technology in modern and safe airframes. Aviation in Australia is stuck in the Jurassic era, due to many Dinosaurs in it 🤢 2
BrendAn Posted January 5 Posted January 5 On 05/01/2025 at 9:44 PM, turboplanner said: No I'm not and now is no time to start questioning categories that have worked well and demonstrated their safety in design, construction and operation for decades. Expand Show us the equivalent of part 103. I don't understand what you're talking about.
BrendAn Posted January 5 Posted January 5 On 05/01/2025 at 10:34 PM, jackc said: It’s becoming prohibitively expensive to be in the RAA sector with all its increasing rules, even an MARAP cost of $1000 or so dollars to change a prop. That MARAP has to be renewed? Correct me if I am wrong. Go RPL with 5 hours training, convert to VH for no cost, join SAAA and maintain own aircraft, I m not sure of specifics? WHY so much derision for FAR Part 103 U.S. it’s affordable Aviation with a plethora of technology in modern and safe airframes. Aviation in Australia is stuck in the Jurassic era, due to many Dinosaurs in it 🤢 Expand Raaus are dead against bringing it in because they are afraid of losing members and their money. But it would only be a small group that would switch anyway. 1
turboplanner Posted January 5 Posted January 5 On 05/01/2025 at 10:34 PM, jackc said: It’s becoming prohibitively expensive to be in the RAA sector with all its increasing rules, even an MARAP cost of $1000 or so dollars to change a prop. That MARAP has to be renewed? Correct me if I am wrong. Expand Current Full Flying Membership is $325.00 Sporting Shooters Association Membership is $115.00 RA flying is based on established designs. If you want to change a design, engineers need to get involved and they need to be paid so of course it gets expensive. Today I can buy a dual cab ute for about $30,000 - $180,000 I can make it an ambulance or a prime mover legally at an engineering cost of around $1.8 million for the trial unit. On 05/01/2025 at 10:34 PM, jackc said: Go RPL with 5 hours training, convert to VH for no cost, join SAAA and maintain own aircraft, I m not sure of specifics? Expand These crossover ideas have been touted for years now. The achilles heel has been the extra cost of having to learn and train on two systems. On 05/01/2025 at 10:34 PM, jackc said: WHY so much derision for FAR Part 103 U.S. it’s affordable Aviation with a plethora of technology in modern and safe airframes. Expand I haven't heard any derision of it. We have our equivalent and there's no derision that I've heard of it either, just people who want to fly longer distances. On 05/01/2025 at 10:34 PM, jackc said: Aviation in Australia is stuck in the Jurassic era, due to many Dinosaurs in it 🤢 Expand Well you've mixed with the likes of Dick so you know the practical limits. 1
turboplanner Posted January 5 Posted January 5 On 05/01/2025 at 10:56 PM, BrendAn said: Show us the equivalent of part 103. I don't understand what you're talking about. Expand From memory one of our most experienced members has already tried to do that.
turboplanner Posted January 5 Posted January 5 On 05/01/2025 at 10:58 PM, BrendAn said: Raaus are dead against bringing it in because they are afraid of losing members and their money. But it would only be a small group that would switch anyway. Expand Check the RAA categories and you'll be able to fly to your heart's content.
jackc Posted January 5 Posted January 5 On 05/01/2025 at 11:03 PM, turboplanner said: Check the RAA categories and you'll be able to fly to your heart's content. Expand Yep, NO numbers or letters on anything 😁 Night VFR? AFTER midnight, full Moon, from a clandestine airstrip near you 👍
turboplanner Posted January 5 Posted January 5 On 05/01/2025 at 11:39 PM, jackc said: Yep, NO numbers or letters on anything 😁 Night VFR? AFTER midnight, full Moon, from a clandestine airstrip near you 👍 Expand You understand what the subject of this thread says and that this is a public site and that some people in authority might generalise your thinking as reality and use it
dlegg Posted January 5 Posted January 5 There might have been "only" 6 fatalities last year but we are off to a horror start this year. 1 1
jackc Posted January 6 Posted January 6 On 05/01/2025 at 11:51 PM, turboplanner said: You understand what the subject of this thread says and that this is a public site and that some people in authority might generalise your thinking as reality and use it Expand That’s why this World is crap. Can’t say what you feel. I have always opened my mouth wide, but many seem to understand where I come from, when I explain myself in person.
turboplanner Posted January 6 Posted January 6 On 05/01/2025 at 11:59 PM, dlegg said: There might have been "only" 6 fatalities last year but we are off to a horror start this year. Expand Over the years, studying accident rates, you gradually learn about the difference between clusters and trends and take a closer look at a trend in case it continues, in which case you then have the data to stop it. 1
jackc Posted January 6 Posted January 6 On 06/01/2025 at 12:29 AM, turboplanner said: Over the years, studying accident rates, you gradually learn about the difference between clusters and trends and take a closer look at a trend in case it continues, in which case you then have the data to stop it. Expand Does not seem to have done the Transport Industry much good, of recent times, they cant even drive on dual lane highways, without coming unstuck…..
BrendAn Posted January 6 Posted January 6 On 05/01/2025 at 11:02 PM, turboplanner said: From memory one of our most experienced members has already tried to do that. Expand Well that tells me nothing . There is no equivalent except in your mind.
BrendAn Posted January 6 Posted January 6 On 05/01/2025 at 11:03 PM, turboplanner said: Check the RAA categories and you'll be able to fly to your heart's content. Expand More rubbish. These posts seem to be more about your ego and trying to show your intellectual superiority to us lowly commoners. Wtf has the sporting shooters association got to do with flying. Show me the equivalent of part 103. Are you an raaus member. I doubt it.
turboplanner Posted January 6 Posted January 6 On 06/01/2025 at 2:09 AM, BrendAn said: More rubbish. These posts seem to be more about your ego and trying to show your intellectual superiority to us lowly commoners. Wtf has the sporting shooters association got to do with flying. Show me the equivalent of part 103. Are you an raaus member. I doubt it. Expand Well that's two characters now trying to get the narrative off the subject matter.
BrendAn Posted January 6 Posted January 6 On 06/01/2025 at 2:18 AM, turboplanner said: Well that's two characters now trying to get the narrative off the subject matter. Expand Why can't you just answer a question.
Geoff_H Posted January 6 Posted January 6 Can someone please tell me exactly where the equivalent of Part 103 is in Australia? All I want to do is go for the occasional fly around the patch. Do an RAA test and fly or a full blown test and navigation sans GPS for my BFR. I am 77 don't want to relearn 40 years ago and will never use.
BrendAn Posted January 6 Posted January 6 On 06/01/2025 at 2:57 AM, Geoff_H said: Can someone please tell me exactly where the equivalent of Part 103 is in Australia? All I want to do is go for the occasional fly around the patch. Do an RAA test and fly or a full blown test and navigation sans GPS for my BFR. I am 77 don't want to relearn 40 years ago and will never use. Expand Turbo is convinced we have it but won't elaborate
facthunter Posted January 6 Author Posted January 6 You're supposed to be able when VFR to navigate by features on a map WAC and derive tracks and calculate headings on the wind forecast and I also used goggle earth Prints of the destination and surrounds. You calculate track LSA's from Info on the WAC and get a good idea of the terrain and where high hills, powerlines and rivers etc are. Proper Planning Prevents Piss Poor Performance. You also get an idea where suitable alternates are and lower country if the cloud base lowers. Nev
turboplanner Posted January 6 Posted January 6 On 06/01/2025 at 2:57 AM, Geoff_H said: Can someone please tell me exactly where the equivalent of Part 103 is in Australia? All I want to do is go for the occasional fly around the patch. Do an RAA test and fly or a full blown test and navigation sans GPS for my BFR. I am 77 don't want to relearn 40 years ago and will never use. Expand Talk to RAA. This is a very serious thread about a threat to RAA Members based on incorrect information.
Blueadventures Posted January 6 Posted January 6 On 05/01/2025 at 11:00 PM, turboplanner said: Current Full Flying Membership is $325.00 Sporting Shooters Association Membership is $115.00 RA flying is based on established designs. If you want to change a design, engineers need to get involved and they need to be paid so of course it gets expensive. Today I can buy a dual cab ute for about $30,000 - $180,000 I can make it an ambulance or a prime mover legally at an engineering cost of around $1.8 million for the trial unit. These crossover ideas have been touted for years now. The achilles heel has been the extra cost of having to learn and train on two systems. I haven't heard any derision of it. We have our equivalent and there's no derision that I've heard of it either, just people who want to fly longer distances. Well you've mixed with the likes of Dick so you know the practical limits. Expand SAAA membership is $280 (245 for concession holders) Owner maintenance course to do owner maintenance is $550. Just to add info. 1
Love to fly Posted January 6 Posted January 6 On 06/01/2025 at 3:14 AM, Blueadventures said: SAAA membership is $280 (245 for concession holders) Owner maintenance course to do owner maintenance is $550. Just to add info. Expand But MPC Course is a once off. And you don't need to be an SAAA member to build & fly an experimental aircraft. Although we found membership invaluable during the build, test flying phases.
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