ClintonB Posted January 6 Posted January 6 https://youtu.be/REGs_gF6wbs?si=qOEN1xX6LgSIZGAM this stinks of the Super car scare of the 70's. My son now drives a sub 900kg sports model i20 N that would outrun any 70s GTHO, charger or Monaro at the top end. All that fear mongering ruined the development of more Australian input, then we lost manufacturing. We don't need this to get in the nostrils of any nanny state polly wanting to make a name for themselves and pander to the morons who pride e this rubbish. Most of us don't set out to crash and kill the public as they would have everyone believe. We want to come home at the end of the day with a big grin on and pack our pride and joy away. 1 1 1
Freizeitpilot Posted January 6 Posted January 6 (edited) Should we expect broad-based advocacy from RA-AUS, or is that beyond their remit? I note they promote their work with CASA and at least Michael Monck got a sound bite in the video. From RA-AUS website…. “As an RAAus member, we do the work dealing with CASA for you. We oversee your training, aircraft maintenance, and medical standards. We are also in constant contact with CASA, working to protect your privileges and ensure you enjoy a simple, yet safe rule set.” AOPA have a reputation for aggressively defending the rights of the VH world to anyone who would listen. Should we expect RA-AUS to do the same for the numbered fleet when ‘hobby’ aircraft are questioned, or would that simply undermine their (subservient) relationship with CASA? So, if not RA-AUS as the aggressive advocate each time someone threatens the freedoms of the recreational flyer, then who? Thoughts, opinions, anyone ? Edited January 6 by Freizeitpilot 1 1
turboplanner Posted January 6 Posted January 6 See the existing thread on this. It's still very unclear what the agenda is on this but a very dirty story.
Area-51 Posted January 6 Posted January 6 But the ABCD piggle man said in the beginning that the majority of crashes were 27 fatalities in 20 GA Aircraft crashes 🤷🏼♂️🤷🏿♂️🤷🏽♂️ So GA has more crashes than hobby aircraft made of balsa wood tissue paper and pva glue upon masonite kitchen table... Piggle man made no mention of Sport & Recreation or LSA Factory Built Aircraft 🤷🏽♂️🤷🏿♂️🤷🏼♂️. I am very confused. What is it exactly that Piggle man is trying to communicate here? My 6yo nephew just finished building a Dash-8 lego hobby plane and everything on it is working fine... This was very poor story telling by piggle... 3
Blueadventures Posted January 6 Posted January 6 49 minutes ago, turboplanner said: See the existing thread on this. It's still very unclear what the agenda is on this but a very dirty story. Maybe ATSB in a way supports complaining that they don't investigate all aircraft accidents as such may in the future lead to more staff for them so they can broaden their investigation ability to include RAA aircraft. 2 1
turboplanner Posted January 6 Posted January 6 5 hours ago, Blueadventures said: Maybe ATSB in a way supports complaining that they don't investigate all aircraft accidents as such may in the future lead to more staff for them so they can broaden their investigation ability to include RAA aircraft. It's hard to know what was on his mind with that low and slow comment. Maybe he had been blindsided by the ABC journalist commenting on the subject matter then immediately asking for a reaction; that's the worst position to be in when there's a news story. Better to be the one doing the initial part of the story. I can see the possibility of ATSB handling a collision in a CTA circuit because of the complexity of key radio calls, correct circuit position, correct approach, correct choice of runway, failure to hold, wrong runway (on dual runways) etc, but even than doesn't take too long for a Recreational Aviation investigator to learn. If you look at the exhaustive procedure ATSB uses, even if they had a graded policy for top of the range RA with electronics down to a trike there just has to be big blowout in costs for not much return. On the other had it was RAA which submitted a list of engine failures one of which was a flat tyre, so maybe RAA has some work to do which would satisfy the complainants. It would be interesting to see if the trike guys out at Marian even know about this and what their thoughts are. 1
clouddancer Posted January 6 Posted January 6 “On the other had it was RAA which submitted a list of engine failures one of which was a flat tyre, so maybe RAA has some work to do which would satisfy the complainants.” incorrect, RAAus was asked to supply a database extract of any accident or incident involving a Jabiru, this information was not filtered correctly when analysed by CASA, resulting in a flat tyre in an aircraft powered with a Jabiru engine being included in engine failure statistics! 3
turboplanner Posted January 6 Posted January 6 33 minutes ago, clouddancer said: “On the other had it was RAA which submitted a list of engine failures one of which was a flat tyre, so maybe RAA has some work to do which would satisfy the complainants.” incorrect, RAAus was asked to supply a database extract of any accident or incident involving a Jabiru, this information was not filtered correctly when analysed by CASA, resulting in a flat tyre in an aircraft powered with a Jabiru engine being included in engine failure statistics! Interesting.
FlyBoy1960 Posted January 6 Posted January 6 2 hours ago, clouddancer said: “On the other had it was RAA which submitted a list of engine failures one of which was a flat tyre, so maybe RAA has some work to do which would satisfy the complainants.” incorrect, RAAus was asked to supply a database extract of any accident or incident involving a Jabiru, this information was not filtered correctly when analysed by CASA, resulting in a flat tyre in an aircraft powered with a Jabiru engine being included in engine failure statistics! Rubbish, they are smarter than that ! 1
facthunter Posted January 6 Posted January 6 (edited) Bugger Me Why START another thread on EXACTLY the same article as a recent existing one? Nev Edited January 6 by facthunter 3
ClintonB Posted January 7 Author Posted January 7 I hadn’t seen other thread, I am ok if closed or moved to existing. Video only popped onto my u tube feed last night, motor bikes, jet skis, druggie boyfriends, cars all kill things in great numbers every year, why start picking on recreational aviation all of a sudden, is it to deflect from a couple of airliners biting the dust recently or to feed the sensational news feed related to them? 1 1
onetrack Posted January 7 Posted January 7 News is slow in the holiday season, aircraft crashes make for great news headlines. Especially when you add "horror", "terror", "shocking", "screaming in fear", to the article headings.
facthunter Posted January 7 Posted January 7 LAZY irresponsible reporting. No excuses really. ABC. Nev
pmccarthy Posted January 7 Posted January 7 We often complain about "Cessna plummeted to the ground" type stories. So where did the verb "plummeted" come from? It did not exist until it was invented by reporters for aviation accidents during the 1930s. A plummet was a lead weight used in a ship to sound the depth. It was also a plumb bob used by builders and surveyors. For a long time, people wrote that something “fell like a plummet”, referring to the way the plummet line spun out in a ship. In January 1930 in describing a mid-air collision in the USA a journalist wrote “There was an explosive flash, and bodies were hurled out of the flaming ships and began to fall like plummets into the sea.” In the same month an accident at Point Cook , Victoria, “A surmise that a structural breakage can alone account for the sudden drop of the seaplane Widgeon 'straight down like a plummet into the water' from an altitude of 400 ft., would seem to be founded on the unlikelihood of 'engine trouble,' the occurrence of which is hardly thought compatible with a dive so swift and sudden.” Then in 1933 “The U.S. Navy airship Akron dived into the ocean, off the American coast, with all hands aboard. Aboard her as she faltered and plummeted into the-storm-swept sea were 76 men, including Admiral William A. Moffett, chief of. the Navy's Bureau of Aeronautics. Four men were rescued, but one of these died later.” This is close to the first invention of the word "plummet". As the 1930s progressed, “dropped like a plummet” gradually gave way to the new verb “plummeted”, which had mostly taken over in aviation stories by 1937 and then proliferated during World War 2. 1 1 4
turboplanner Posted January 7 Posted January 7 The ABC journalist should have sourced the statistics on hobby flying and would have come to the RAA site, and smelled a rat. On the other hand, maybe he thought he was doing that when he spoke to its president, or maybe the 27 figure wasn't mentioned during the interview. The key thing is the story was to damage Recreational Aviation flying, and it was industry people doing the damage. 1
Area-51 Posted January 7 Posted January 7 How the general public perceive "hobby" aircraft to be... 1 2
BrendAn Posted January 7 Posted January 7 2 minutes ago, Area-51 said: How the general public perceive "hobby" aircraft to be... didn't realise skippys plane was so big.😊 4
onetrack Posted January 7 Posted January 7 It's the ABC's term for the toys you drill holes in the sky with! Questions over hobby plane safety | ABC News 1
onetrack Posted January 7 Posted January 7 Yeah, but isn't the one you fly now, made from the same materials? The ABC journos seem to think so!
turboplanner Posted January 7 Posted January 7 1 hour ago, kgwilson said: What the hell is a Hobby Aircraft? Your aircraft according to your detractors. 1
Area-51 Posted January 7 Posted January 7 (edited) 3 hours ago, kgwilson said: What the hell is a Hobby Aircraft? Aircraft made on kitchen bench that real humans can climb into and fly into a state of constant peril and suspense of disintegration using 100mph gaffa tape... IMG_0419.MOV Edited January 7 by Area-51 1 1
onetrack Posted January 7 Posted January 7 Yeah, the ABC knows exactly what all you backyarders have been building and flying! - they've seen the videos!! (check out the best part - between 4:40 and 5:30 in the video). 1 1 1
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