ABC article alleging "hobby aircraft" not safe

[facthunter]

That's why I started a New Topic on it. Turbs. Col we "need" an AOPA in the BIG scheme of things. . AOPA was often distracted by some of the CEOS with an agenda other that what the MEMBERS wanted. Nev

[turboplanner]

47 minutes ago, facthunter said:

That's why I started a New Topic on it. Turbs. Col we "need" an AOPA in the BIG scheme of things. . AOPA was often distracted by some of the CEOS with an agenda other that what the MEMBERS wanted. Nev

Well you need to go onto the site and make some inquiries. It looks as if things are OK to me, but others are seeing different things. Maybe ask Benjamin what's happening?

[T510]

5 minutes ago, turboplanner said:

Well you need to go onto the site and make some inquiries. It looks as if things are OK to me, but others are seeing different things. Maybe ask Benjamin what's happening?

Given their website has had no content updated since Feb 2020 including meeting dates, advocacy and the digital version of their magazine it would appear they are no longer operating. 

[facthunter]

I described it as MORIBUND.  Turbs I've done my bit for Aviation ALMOST. I must prioritise at this stage. It's up to younger folks to step up to the Plate. I JUST want to fly IS never enough.   Nev

[turboplanner]

 

9,000 views after 3 days.

Note the comments Aviation experts are concerned about the future of the hobby aircraft sector after a string of fatal crashes in 2024.

Of this string of fatal crashes just 6 of the 27 fatalities were in Recreational Aviation.

 

This shows how fast things can get out of control; the players in this have a small window of opportunity to correct this.

 

 

[BrendAn]

1 minute ago, turboplanner said:

 

9,000 views after 3 days.

Note the comments Aviation experts are concerned about the future of the hobby aircraft sector after a string of fatal crashes in 2024.

Of this string of fatal crashes just 6 of the 27 fatalities were in Recreational Aviation.

 

This shows how fast things can get out of control; the players in this have a small window of opportunity to correct this.

 

 

9000 views is f all.  it will be forgotten in a few days.

[facthunter]

You're a small minority. Get used to it OR keep fighting.  Nev

[BrendAn]

6 minutes ago, facthunter said:

You're a small minority. Get used to it OR keep fighting.  Nev

Look at even huge news stories, they are forgotten pretty quickly.

We are bombarded with breaking news every day.  No one takes notice of the ABC anyway. 😁

[facthunter]

So how do you propose to improve the situation.? People involved in Aviation have had to contend with this sort of thing forever. Nev

[BrendAn]

14 minutes ago, facthunter said:

So how do you propose to improve the situation.? People involved in Aviation have had to contend with this sort of thing forever. Nev

Who cares what airhead reporters have to say. They don't have much credibility in most people's eyes. 

[Freizeitpilot]

The commercial media have a ‘go to’ person (from QF32 fame) every time there is an airline crash.  RAAus should have the same, but get on the front foot.

[jackc]

On 9/1/2025 at 10:13 AM, FlyingVizsla said:

AOPA - We have been members for years.  Currently have a 5 year membership, but have not heard anything from them in YEARS.  Have not seen a magazine for many years, the digital one dwindled to a series of small articles.  Since then about 2 emails saying nothing much.  Might be time to look at the website for any sign of life.

Well I went there, incentivised by Ben talking it up all the time.

 The moment I mentioned FAA FAR Part 103, it would appear I unknowingly had Leprosy in their eyes, so the $159 renewal went in the bin, when the time came……. 
Aviation is Aviation, why discriminate?  

[turboplanner]

In this case the ABC simply reported what people told them.

[ClintonB]

But the players in the big boys planes should have known better than to rubbish their flying cousins. When you think of the average age of a GA aircraft, versus a lot of newer RAAus aircraft I would hazard a guess a heck of a lot of the GA ones would not pass a real thorough inspection. Factory built or the higher end kit aircraft would have better materials and quality than there would have been 60 plus years ago.

at the end of the day we (most pilots) all love aviation and the freedom/joy it gives us.

[Thruster88]

I own and fly aircraft both  RAAus and GA Vh registered. My work in aircraft maintenance shows that no GA aircraft will be signed out with any defects at the place i work. Regardless of class THE AIRCRAFT ARE NOT THE PROBLEM.  THE AIRCRAFT ARE NOT THE PROBLEM. Read the accident reports. https://www.atsb.gov.au/aviation-investigation-reports or https://asn.flightsafety.org/asndb/types/V. Recently viewed flightsafety to see how the sting aircraft fared in accident data. While there had a look at the Van's RV6 that I fly, truly appalling, why? Stupid mind numbing easily avoidable accidents, they are not accidents, they are pilots doing the same dumb shit that has been done forever. I wish I was a better writer.

[facthunter]

They (the ABC) have an obligation to do it properly and verify the basics/essence of the accusations  They did Interview Monk but I wonder HOW it was framed? Did they put the accusations to him He would have the experience and ability to DO that Often what people  say during interviews is selectively edited to make the story more dramatic than it seems. I said early it's LAZY journalism and not very professional.  Nearly as BAD as SKY and that's saying something.

 There's no shortage of SNOBS in AVIATION. and that will never change..  Nev

[turboplanner]

6 minutes ago, facthunter said:

They (the ABC) have an obligation to do it properly and verify the basics/essence of the accusations  They did Interview Monk but I wonder HOW it was framed? Did they put the accusations to him He would have the experience and ability to DO that Often what people  say during interviews is selectively edited to make the story more dramatic than it seems. I said early it's LAZY journalism and not very professional.  Nearly as BAD as SKY and that's saying something.

 There's no shortage of SNOBS in AVIATION. and that will never change..  Nev

I'll PM you; I've done some research and a few things have started to explain themselves.

[jackc]

7 minutes ago, turboplanner said:

I'll PM you; I've done some research and a few things have started to explain themselves.

You don’t need the permission of the Forum to PM someone?

No wonder you piss people off…..

[facthunter]

Thruster, some of them are their own worst enemy. Safety is a CULTURE that affect everything you do.. It's a DISCIPLINE and how many of really have it. She'll be right is alive and well out there. Checking  things  thoroughly, doing self briefing before all  Take offs etc is girly stuff for sissy's. The alpha Male and his EGO rules the  roost. I know a hell of a lot of Pilots Some of them I don't have much  time for.. . Keeping them Happy would be a good definition of the Impossible. U/L's are actually some of the most challenging planes out there. SOME BIG aluminium drivers would be scared of them and the Public won't ever understand them. Play your part by How you behave and the Image you display. Get the best example to less experienced pilots. Don't deliberately scare the $#!t out of a passenger. Don't do dramatic departures from events. OK I'm Nagging but I've not damaged a Plane or put a scratch on a passenger and IF a pupil of mine ever came to grief as a result of something I should have spoken of or done I'd be devastated. You are the Captain of that ship no matter how simple and small it is.  Nev

[BrendAn]

2 hours ago, turboplanner said:

In this case the ABC simply reported what people told them.

Yes by handpicked people. They didn't look for anyone with credibility.

[facthunter]

What's the appropriateness of SIMPLY.?   WE have covered that accurate reporting of interviews is often deliberately SELECTIVE. Anybody with a minimum of experience in this area is well aware of that. You are never told what  what questions were asked and in what context, The result is THEY put over whatever  SPIN they intended to. Nev

[jackc]

7 minutes ago, facthunter said:

Thruster, some of them are their own worst enemy. Safety is a CULTURE that affect everything you do.. It's a DISCIPLINE and how many of really have it. She'll be right is alive and well out there. Checking  things  thoroughly, doing self briefing before all  Take offs etc is girly stuff for sissy's. The alpha Male and his EGO rules the  roost. I know a hell of a lot of Pilots Some of them I don't have much  time for.. . Keeping them Happy would be a good definition of the Impossible. U/L's are actually some of the most challenging planes out there. SOME BIG aluminium drivers would be scared of them and the Public won't ever understand them. Play your part by How you behave and the Image you display. Get the best example to less experienced pilots. Don't deliberately scare the $#!t out of a passenger. Don't do dramatic departures from events. OK I'm Nagging but I've not damaged a Plane or put a scratch on a passenger and IF a pupil of mine ever came to grief as a result of something I should have spoken of or done I'd be devastated. You are the Captain of that ship no matter how simple and small it is.  Nev

I spent 90 minutes talking to an experienced Pilot this morning, asking question, opinions.

on various aspects of Aviation. 
I learnt quite a bit from our conversation.  Learn more keeping ears open, mouth closed. 

[facthunter]

I keep asking for facts about flying from those who are worth listening to and there's quite a few around and you're correct They are Not noisy. But you are Face to Face. In any circumstances people have to want to engage for it to happen.MY motto is "Never stop Learning". Nev

[turboplanner]

1 hour ago, jackc said:

You don’t need the permission of the Forum to PM someone?

No wonder you piss people off…..

Any reason for the panic?

[BrendAn]

i don't know if i am right or wrong, but would a c150, 172 , airtourers and the like be classed as hobby flying if privately owned. it would not be just raaus would it. i know theses ac are in flying school fleets as well but so are a lot of raaus models.