Another light aircraft crash, S.E. of Darwin - 12/01/2025 - 1 dead

[facthunter]

AS usual ,you are NOT Helping, turbs. Nev

[turboplanner]

Just now, facthunter said:

II think that is not relevant to the Main Issue which is RAAus attitude to the LL training being done at all (except mustering)., Designated training areas exist for most school training.. Nev

 So another post, another rude No Quote.

I'll assume you were aiming your spleen at me. 

I'm not backward in being critical of RAA when it warrants it, but they don't have an "attitude" to LL.   That's an existiong regulation.

If you want to change it best read their Constitution to see what the process is to change regulations, and if you can get agreement and someone to put the motion up, why not do something.

[BrendAn]

2 hours ago, turboplanner said:

Yes, correct, albeit its gliders that do Outlandings because while they are not going to get off again if they screw up, they can come in much higher and use the airbrake to quickly change the descent angle once they are sure of the landing zone, and they can glide at a much shallower angle, whereas a recreational aircraft by comparison has a lot more drag, and if you are too conservative you overshoot and don't have an air brake. When the engine fails in a powered aircraft it's called a Forced Landing to change your mindset to full alert. Around 15 years ago there were a lot of forced landing fatals due to RA pilots either pulling back on the stick thinking that would keep the aircraft flying or simply crashing in from a thousand feet to ground which was fine for forced landings. They also happen at the most inconvenient times. 

 

The terminology Low Level is different to Forced Landing. In Forced Landing you can do anything necessary to save yourself. In Low level you are going to deliberately fly the aircraft under 500' (which is illegal without a Rating and reason for the rating), so you are going to be taught about how you must turn, flying under wires, and a lot of other skills you aren't taught in Forced Landings. The risk is also much higher.

 

 

 

 

That's why I love flying xairs. I know most people want to fly faster and get somewhere.  For me its all about flying around my local area on the weekend. Being up there is more important to me. And everywhere I look around here there is a flat paddocks or farm road to land on and the xair needs very little space to land.  Just have to be mindful of powerlines and pivot irrigators.

Edited yesterday at 01:27 AM by BrendAn

[facthunter]

IF you looked at the time of posting , TURBS you and I posted at identical times so How could I be responding to you?  Look  at the way YOU addressed ME in your  post above. Hair triggered and based on assumption  GA allow/ do  it and RAAus don't. That's their decision and more restrictive than GA which we should never be. as was stated clearly earlier int he Game. by CASA.  Nev .

Edited yesterday at 01:11 AM by facthunter

[BrendAn]

2 hours ago, facthunter said:

Well I'll let YOU into a little secret if you don't tell anyone. In such  sessions I taught low level as well but you can't put it in the book or file.. Nev

i had an instructor cut the throttle and drop down maybe to 100 ft above a paddock without warning. scared sh#t out of me but he said that wasn't the intention. he just wanted to show me how quick things happen on climbout with a sudden ef.  he is a great instructor that shows you a bit more than what the syllabus says.

[facthunter]

 When I was instructing in U'Ls it was after I did most of my career flying. How could a pilot NOT pass on stuff he KNEW had saved the situation when the opportunity is there. I wouldn't spring something like that on a student though. I did extensive briefings to cover the anticipated flight. Airwork. I've seen Instructors' who exude the Air of 'It's for me to know and you to wonder about." That is NOT me. To balance that You should NOT overcomplicate the early basics which are the foundation of everything .that follows. It needs to be consolidated at the time as well. Follow up.  Nev

[BrendAn]

3 minutes ago, facthunter said:

 When I was instructing in U'Ls it was after I did most of my career flying. How could a pilot NOT pass on stuff he KNEW had saved the situation when the opportunity is there. I wouldn't spring something like that on a student though. I did extensive briefings to cover the anticipated flight. Airwork. I've seen Instructors' who exude the Air of 'It's for me to know and you to wonder about." That is NOT me. To balance that You should NOT overcomplicate the early basics which are the foundation of everything .that follows. It needs to be consolidated at the time as well. Follow up.  Nev

To put it in context I had already flown 12 hours with that instructor and done a lot of stall training with him. I doubt he would do it with a new student.  I thought the amount of time we spent on stalls was over the top but now I look back I am glad we did it.

[facthunter]

Don't rush to do your first solo either.. despite the BIG DEAL feel. It's just one step on a long ladder..  Your PPL.  or Certificate is just the beginning also.  This is a general comment Brendan. The day you or anyone think you've learned it all is the day you start becoming dangerous. Nev

Edited yesterday at 02:01 AM by facthunter

[Moneybox]

I'm not interested in getting into your personal spat nor am I qualified to do so.

 

Some time back I watched a very interested video on two Aussie guys who practice STOL in their bush planes. They land anywhere there is sufficient clearing in the bush, obviously not for the average LSA. They were both of the opinion that all pilots should be trained in low level flight so that if ever the occasion occurred they'd be less likely to panic and it may save lives.

[kgwilson]

EFATO training was standard when I did my PPL. In the first briefing  before beginning circuits as far as I can remember the instructor said he'd pull the power at any time without warning & did. He never said that again but after the first one I knew it could happen at any time. In a 150 though with more inertia there was I guess more reaction time but getting the nose down became an instinctive and instant response with the rest (pick a landing point, trim for best glide etc) following. In my RA conversion it was pretty much the same but I didn't get a briefing given I should know everything already.

[turboplanner]

51 minutes ago, Moneybox said:

I'm not interested in getting into your personal spat nor am I qualified to do so.

 

Some time back I watched a very interested video on two Aussie guys who practice STOL in their bush planes. They land anywhere there is sufficient clearing in the bush, obviously not for the average LSA. They were both of the opinion that all pilots should be trained in low level flight so that if ever the occasion occurred they'd be less likely to panic and it may save lives.

That's a Short Field Landing in the PPL syllabus, for when whatever you've chosen doesn't have the rolling distance you want.

[BrendAn]

the bloke at the end probably wishes he had kept a better lookout for powerlines

[facthunter]

BIG WHEELS?  What a drag.  Nev

[BrendAn]

11 minutes ago, facthunter said:

BIG WHEELS?  What a drag.  Nev

i think it is a competition in america, he who has the biggest tyres wins.

[Headwind]

On 19/1/2025 at 12:04 PM, BrendAn said:

That's why I love flying xairs. I know most people want to fly faster and get somewhere.  For me its all about flying around my local area on the weekend. Being up there is more important to me. And everywhere I look around here there is a flat paddocks or farm road to land on and the xair needs very little space to land.  Just have to be mindful of powerlines and pivot irrigators.

Do Xair standards still sell?  Was a time when they were fairly popular. It’s 20 years since I had one; loved it for the reasons you say above, including beach landings 🤭

 

[BrendAn]

9 minutes ago, Headwind said:

Do Xair standards still sell?  Was a time when they were fairly popular. It’s 20 years since I had one; loved it for the reasons you say above, including beach landings 🤭

 

Yes. You can still buy them new.

[facthunter]

What motor is in the NEW ones?   Nev

[BrendAn]

3 hours ago, facthunter said:

What motor is in the NEW ones?   Nev

jabiru 2200.

[BrendAn]

they may also be using the mz202.  bolts in place of a 582 and is available new.

[BrendAn]

4 hours ago, facthunter said:

What motor is in the NEW ones?   Nev

they are all 19 reg kits so you could put whatever you wanted on i supppose. bmw r100 engine has been used with success , i think there are 8 xairs using them in the uk.