The Mach Loop in Wales, the spot to look down on fighter jets

[onetrack]

This Welsh bloke has found some great spots for military aircraft spotting, as they zoom through the valleys below him. Some good footage here, even though it's Winter there.

 

Mach Loop - Wikipedia

EN.WIKIPEDIA.ORG

 

 

 

 

Edited Sunday at 11:48 AM by onetrack
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[facthunter]

You won't see a Hercules banking steeply. Transports  don't have high load factors. Faster planes have to bank more steeply with the same turn radius Just like motorbikes do.  Nev

[BrendAn]

we have a spot like that here. the macalister valley in gippsland. raaf used to use it for low level training.

my uncle was grading a road once and said he looked down at 2 jets  as they flew past. probably macchis or mirages.

would be great to see.

[BrendAn]

On 20/01/2025 at 10:18 AM, facthunter said:

You won't see a Hercules banking steeply. Transports  don't have high load factors. Faster planes have to bank more steeply with the same turn radius Just like motorbikes do.  Nev

how many deg do you consder steep when banking.  

[Red]

its an A400M

They fly past my house often before turning low level up a valley

 

Here is a pic

 

 

 

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[Red]

This was taken in Wales, a looooong way from South Africa but to answer the road question it is simply obscured by the rising terrain in the foreground.

Nice googling btw🤣

[Bosi72]

8 hours ago, BrendAn said:

we have a spot like that here. the macalister valley in gippsland. raaf used to use it for low level training.

my uncle was grading a road once and said he looked down at 2 jets  as they flew past. probably macchis or mirages.

would be great to see.

I am frequent visitor to Licola area and always hoping to see a training aircraft.

VTC chart still has an information about random low level mil flying.

[BrendAn]

3 minutes ago, Bosi72 said:

I am frequent visitor to Licola area and always hoping to see a training aircraft.

VTC chart still has an information about random low level mil flying.

 Hi bosi. I assume they still do it.  You would have to be lucky to see it though. They usually don't fly weekends and holidays.  I miss the days when the jets were flying. Much more exciting to watch than pc21s

[facthunter]

Airliners can't exceed 30 degrees these days without having to answer for it. The load when banked depends on the AoA of the wing and Airspeed. The AoA is controlled by the Elevators. I'd consider above 50 degrees steep if I had to pick a figure. A well executed barrel roll wouldn't pull excessive "G" or spill a cup of coffee.   Nev

[BrendAn]

1 hour ago, facthunter said:

Airliners can't exceed 30 degrees these days without having to answer for it. The load when banked depends on the AoA of the wing and Airspeed. The AoA is controlled by the Elevators. I'd consider above 50 degrees steep if I had to pick a figure. A well executed barrel roll wouldn't pull excessive "G" or spill a cup of coffee.   Nev

I read a pilots story about flying a Hercules. He said 60 degree banks are normal for them. I guess they are trained to get in and out quickly to avoid ground attack.

[facthunter]

They are not stress rated for  much more, nor are airliners. IF you hit turbulence at the same time it's additive. 60 is 2 G  that's safe in still air Goa bit more and it increases faster per degree.  ..Nev

[onetrack]

The bank angle is difficult to gauge from many shots, due to camera angles, lens distortion, and viewers position - but the A400M bank certainly does appear to be more than 60°.

 

I'm surprised there isn't more wing flex visible on the steep banking turns, the A400M must have a pretty stiff wing. Get a look at the numbers of people standing on the steep slopes, to get their own particular, "outstanding photo"!

 

 

 

[facthunter]

I'd estimate it at about 60. , Nev