Regarding private landing strip

[RegularPerson]

Just for more context ... The Aircraft is an experimental 2005 Kit Fox 7 powered by a gasoline Rotax Bombardier ... Seems to just get better and better ... LOL

[T510]

The Kitfox is a well known design that has been around since the 80's with thousands built and flown. I wouldn't let that cause you more concern

11 minutes ago, RegularPerson said:

Just for more context ... The Aircraft is an experimental 2005 Kit Fox 7 powered by a gasoline Rotax Bombardier ... Seems to just get better and better ... LOL

 

[RegularPerson]

14 minutes ago, T510 said:

The Kitfox is a well known design that has been around since the 80's with thousands built and flown. I wouldn't let that cause you more concern

 

Yeah, I was hoping it would be a branded plane like a Cessna which have strict manufacturers maintenance schedules. Kit planes, depending on the discipline and thoroughness of the owner, could be hit or miss whether components get inspected and changed out. So it's not the design of the plane but the maintenance which could be a worry. 

 

By the way ... winds right now are 80-100kmh ... Hope he's not planning on taking off ... LOL

Edited 16 hours ago by RegularPerson

[BurnieM]

Most likely it is a Rotax 912ULS.

This is a 100hp, 4 cyclinder, 1400cc carburated engine.

 

There are thousands of these engines flying. They are very reliable.

 

[T510]

 

7 minutes ago, RegularPerson said:

Yeah, I was hoping it would be a branded plane like a Cessna which have strict manufacturers maintenance schedules. Kit planes, depending on the discipline and thoroughness of the owner, could be hit or miss whether components get inspected and changed out. So it's not the design of the plane but the maintenance which could be a worry. 

A 100 hourly or annual inspection is a requirement to maintain registration

[RegularPerson]

1 minute ago, T510 said:

 

A 100 hourly or annual inspection is a requirement to maintain registration

Yeah, I'm praying he does that to the letter and not just fill his maintenance log book when registration time rolls around. Thanks for the info T510.

[RegularPerson]

6 minutes ago, BurnieM said:

Most likely it is a Rotax 912ULS.

This is a 100hp, 4 cyclinder, 1400cc carburated engine.

 

There are thousands of these engines flying. They are very reliable.

 

Agreed ... Rotax are Great engines. Simple, elegant and lightweight for their output. As someone who has hands on interest in engines, I've got zero qualms about it. 

 

If it were a Subura WRX engine modified for aircraft ... That's another story.

[Moneybox]

9 minutes ago, RegularPerson said:

Yeah, I was hoping it would be a branded plane like a Cessna which have strict manufacturers maintenance schedules. Kit planes, depending on the discipline and thoroughness of the owner, could be hit or miss whether components get inspected and changed out. So it's not the design of the plane but the maintenance which could be a worry. 

 

By the way ... winds right now are 80-100kmh ... Hope he's not planning on taking off ... LOL

 

Flying over your house isn't ideal, I'm sure I wouldn't like it but this is your neighbour. An amicable solution would pay dividends in the long run. I'd be doing my best to talk with this guy and his family. Who knows, when his wife listens to your concerns for your family's safety she might be the one to sway him to land elsewhere or in a different direction. If you go to the shire you could be opening a can of worms that doesn't end well for anybody. 

[RegularPerson]

Just now, Moneybox said:

 

Flying over your house isn't ideal, I'm sure I wouldn't like it but this is your neighbour. An amicable solution would pay dividends in the long run. I'd be doing my best to talk with this guy and his family. Who knows, when his wife listens to your concerns for your family's safety she might be the one to sway him to land elsewhere or in a different direction. If you go to the shire you could be opening a can of worms that doesn't end well for anybody. 

I'm not going to the shire to call him out on it. I just want everything done above board and SAFE. If an accident occurs (knock on wood it doesn't) ... It's too late to say ... Oh this and that wasn't complied with, or this and that isn't to regulation ... etc. Hindsight is 20/20 ... I'd rather take every caution now before the holes in the swiss cheese line up because I was being lackadaisical and now my kids are dead.  

[Blueadventures]

2 hours ago, RegularPerson said:

Thanks Skippy ... Just in the process of the council getting back to me about the rules, regulations and development regarding a private landing strip and whether it is allowed or not. 

 

Just want to be informed when we meet the neighbours tomorrow. Will let everyone know how it turns out. Hopefully its a win win for everyone.

Council outcome may place restrictions on aircraft movements at his property eg hours of operation and maybe restrict to only his aircraft.  That is what has occurred in the past with the local council.

 

As touched on above to fly neighbourly a pilot flying off their own property should engage with the close by affected properties before the first use of the airstrip.

Edited 14 hours ago by Blueadventures

[RegularPerson]

13 minutes ago, Blueadventures said:

Council outcome may place restrictions on aircraft movements at his property eg hours of operation and maybe restrict to only his aircraft.  That is what has occurred in the past with the local council. As touched on above to fly neighbourly a pilot flying off their own property should engage with the close by affected properties before the first use of the airstrip.

I'm not against him flying ... I just don't want him landing and taking off 150ft above my childrens bedrooms where my children play 90% of the day. I also forgot to add, that if fuel ignites within their bedrooms, they may survive the crash, but get burned alive in the fire as has happened in the past.

 

They never contacted us or informed us about their intention to fly over our home. They just did it and neither me nor my wife have ever met them prior, however they do have my contact number which, I presume, the previous owner had given it to them a year ago because they have sent me a message about opening closing gates.

Edited 14 hours ago by RegularPerson

[Blueadventures]

26 minutes ago, RegularPerson said:

I'm not against him flying ... I just don't want him landing and taking off 150ft above my childrens bedrooms where my children play 90% of the day. I also forgot to add, that if fuel ignites within their bedrooms, they may survive the crash, but get burned alive in the fire as has happened in the past.

 

They never contacted us or informed us about their intention to fly over our home. They just did it and neither me nor my wife have ever met them prior, however they do have my contact number which, I presume, the previous owner had given it to them a year ago because they have sent me a message about opening closing gates.

All good.  Where I fly from we adopt fly neighbourly and don't fly over close by houses, we achieve this by a slight turn. and two other strips do similar in my area.  All strips have undergone council approvals.

Edited 14 hours ago by Blueadventures

[RegularPerson]

1 minute ago, Blueadventures said:

All good.  Where I fly from we adopt fly neighbourly and don't fly over close by houses, we achieve this by a slight turn. and two other strips do similar in my area.

I wish you were my Pilot neighbour ... Props (pun intended) to the pilots doing the polite/right thing. 

[skippydiesel]

10 minutes ago, Blueadventures said:

  All strips have undergone council approvals.

I acknowledge that Council regulations will vary, however as a general observation, you do not require Council approval to land/take-off from your private property or give permission for another to do so.

You will require permission to build a designated landing ground (LG) & construct it according to CASA (?) specifications. This does not apply to landing in paddocks or on farm roads.

You will also require Council approval to make a LG available to the public/aviators (without invitation)  or should you demand remuneration for using it. There is likly a fine line between commercial remuneration and donations to assist with upkeep.😈

[RegularPerson]

" you do not require Council approval to land/take-off from your private property or give permission for another to do so."

 

Yes ... This is the contentious issue. It's a grey area which, unfortunately, I'm in via no fault of my own making. I ,personally if I was a pilot, would NEVER EVER fly over someones home at 150ft especially without asking any permission or notification to do so, then when they complain, write a message that it's within my right. Not only do I find it rude, it's downright WRONG. 

[Blueadventures]

11 minutes ago, skippydiesel said:

I acknowledge that Council regulations will vary, however as a general observation, you do not require Council approval to land/take-off from your private property or give permission for another to do so.

You will require permission to build a designated landing ground (LG) & construct it according to CASA (?) specifications. This does not apply to landing in paddocks or on farm roads.

You will also require Council approval to make a LG available to the public/aviators (without invitation)  or should you demand remuneration for using it. There is likly a fine line between commercial remuneration and donations to assist with upkeep.😈

I guarantee that in the Mackay Regional Council area from a private strip you will if complaints are made.  One of the strips I mentioned is 100% private and has conditions applied due to complaints.  Its location is nowhere near the closeness described in this post.   Being 211 meters from end of runway and path directly over a house in not a good situation.  I hope the matter can be sorted in the interests of both property owners.  I know that at 211 meters from my home airfield I am about 30 meter above ground level. 

My comments are meant to be helpful.  Would be good if willing to see an image of the location in question to see if a slight safe deviation in late final can sort the matter.   Image of my home strip for example.

Edited 13 hours ago by Blueadventures

[skippydiesel]

2 hours ago, RegularPerson said:

Just for more context ... The Aircraft is an experimental 2005 Kit Fox 7 powered by a gasoline Rotax Bombardier ... Seems to just get better and better ... LOL

A flying KitFox probably weighs in at around 500 kg (For max TO/empty weight, etc  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Denney_Kitfox.) Has a lightweight mostly tubular metal frame covered in fabric - which will collapse on impact dissipating much of the impact energy.  Should one somehow come into contact with a substantial structure, like a house, the likelihood of penetrative impact is low.

 

You are remarkably well informed, on aviation, for someone who seemed to be just a neighbour/member of the general public???? I am starting to question  the motivation behind your thread.😈

[RegularPerson]

9 minutes ago, skippydiesel said:

A flying KitFox probably weighs in at around 500 kg (For max TO/empty weight, etc  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Denney_Kitfox.) Has a lightweight mostly tubular metal frame covered in fabric - which will collapse on impact dissipating much of the impact energy.  Should one somehow come into contact with a substantial structure, like a house, the likelihood of penetrative impact is low.

 

You are remarkably well informed, on aviation, for someone who seemed to be just a neighbour/member of the general public???? I am starting to question  the motivation behind your thread.😈

I'm an electrical engineer and during my teens, was a flight simulator enthusiast. My favourite simulator was F16 Falcon Gold because it is the closest sim to the real thing since the developers created it by flying in a REAL F16 Falcon. 

 

I also have a Masters Degree in Secondary Education (Mathematics) and have worked in industry as a Quality Assurance Engineer and created systems compliant to ISO 9000. 

 

I can assure you ... I'm DEAD serious about my plight and being upset is an understatement.

Edited 13 hours ago by RegularPerson

[Blueadventures]

5 minutes ago, skippydiesel said:

A flying KitFox probably weighs in at around 500 kg (For max TO/empty weight, etc  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Denney_Kitfox.) Has a lightweight mostly tubular metal frame covered in fabric - which will collapse on impact dissipating much of the impact energy.  Should one somehow come into contact with a substantial structure, like a house, the likelihood of penetrative impact is low.

 

You are remarkably well informed, on aviation, for someone who seemed to be just a neighbour/member of the general public???? I am starting to question  the motivation behind your thread.😈

Please ignore Skippy's recent post as he often attacks peoples posts.

 

The forum users I am sure in the majority will assist with answers to your question and it is a valid concern.  I hope the matter is resolved to yours and your neighbours satisfactions.

[T510]

Please keep us updated as to the outcome.

 

As a pilot I would not feel comfortable overflying someone's house at such a low altitude nor would I feel comfortable with someone overflying my house that low.

 

I don't see that you are being unreasonable and am surprised the neighbour did not approach you before conducting flight ops from their property

 

 

[skippydiesel]

2 minutes ago, T510 said:

Please keep us updated as to the outcome.

 

As a pilot I would not feel comfortable overflying someone's house at such a low altitude nor would I feel comfortable with someone overflying my house that low.

Agreed!

I don't see that you are being unreasonable and am surprised the neighbour did not approach you before conducting flight ops from their property

Not unreasonable but possibly unaware of his legal limitations & the rights of his pilot neighbour.😈

 

 

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[RegularPerson]

2 minutes ago, T510 said:

Please keep us updated as to the outcome.

 

As a pilot I would not feel comfortable overflying someone's house at such a low altitude nor would I feel comfortable with someone overflying my house that low.

 

I don't see that you are being unreasonable and am surprised the neighbour did not approach you before conducting flight ops from their property

 

 

Yes, me and you the same. I'm just as surprised as anybody would be. First time I saw it I ran out the door incase they needed help because it might have been an emergency landing ... Then I see the neighbour come out and cordially chat to the pilot I realised it wasn't an emergency landing, but perhaps their Pilot friend dropped by. Then we wrote them a polite message on Saturday I think to say we have safety concerns and not to fly over our home but keep at 500ft. It was only yesterday that they wrote my wife a message that they indeed own the plane and will continue flying that way.... Like WTF 

[skippydiesel]

12 minutes ago, Blueadventures said:

Please ignore Skippy's recent post as he often attacks peoples posts.

Tad harsh!

The forum users I am sure in the majority will assist with answers to your question and it is a valid concern.  I hope the matter is resolved to yours and your neighbours satisfactions.

Can only hope so - we all deserve to be able to enjoy, live in piece, on our property😈

 

[RegularPerson]

"Not unreasonable but possibly unaware of his legal limitations & the rights of his pilot neighbour.😈"

 

Hence, why I'm here that perhaps pilots can inform me better.

[Blueadventures]

2 minutes ago, skippydiesel said:

 

You know the drill, or should.  Any concerns about forum users report to admin.

Edited 13 hours ago by Blueadventures