Avalon - No Interest ?

[facthunter]

In the 70's I got a free (industry) pass for the times I went there. I recall on one occasion Lots of Jabiru's flew in and one time about 4 of them bent their nosewheels as they were "asked" to do a landing involving a downwind component, Not realising they could/ should have requested a landing into wind. A bit over awed with the situation? Nev

[facthunter]

Normally by today I would have  had a lot of "Interesting planes fly over HERE on their way. Not ONE so far. Something's different.  Nev

[BlurE]

I heard from someone visiting the display on-site ATC that a number of the US aircraft based at Okinawa couldn't get out due to weather and the display was really suffering for that. 

[facthunter]

Do wars only get fought on fine days? Nev

[facthunter]

 I think I'd rather visit HARS. Nev

[BlurE]

3 minutes ago, facthunter said:

Do wars only get fought on fine days? Nev

Japan does get some serious weather - but I wondered if it more as a result of America loosing interest in anywhere that wasn't one of the 52 current or targeted 'states'

[jackc]

1 hour ago, kgwilson said:

Avalon is an Aviation Industry event more akin to Farnborough or Paris where all the latest civilian and military aircraft are on display & sales teams abound. Oshkosh is the US Experimental Aircraft Associations annual fly-in & everyone is welcome. About 10,000 aircraft fly in for the event. It is aimed at a completely different demographic.

True, but it’s a demographic that Aviation in Australia should at least attempt to put the mat out for ALL Aviators 

[facthunter]

I think ALL are welcome, but Ultralights will never be pre eminent. NATFLY doesn't have HEAVIES, nor should it.  Nev

[red750]

A plane has crashed during the Avalon Australian International Airshow, south-west of Melbourne.

 

Police say emergency services were called to reports a plane known as a Pitts Special aerobatic aircraft had lost control while conducting a demonstration and crashed into the tarmac about 5:15pm on Friday.

 

The pilot and sole occupant of the aircraft has suffered critical injuries, an Ambulance Victoria spokesperson said.

 

A Victoria Police spokesperson said the crash happened a significant distance from spectators and there were no other people injured.

 

The plane is believed to have been a part of the Paul Bennett Aerobatics team that crashed during the first public day of the event.

 

[onetrack]

Peter, there's already a thread running on this crash in the Incidents and Accidents forum.

[BrendAn]

10 hours ago, facthunter said:

In the 70's I got a free (industry) pass for the times I went there. I recall on one occasion Lots of Jabiru's flew in and one time about 4 of them bent their nosewheels as they were "asked" to do a landing involving a downwind component, Not realising they could/ should have requested a landing into wind. A bit over awed with the situation? Nev

Jabirus were not produced until the 90's so you must have went a lot of years.

[facthunter]

Yes that's a typo.  It was called Airshows Down Under at one stage. First time at AVALON, 1992 , Was nearly washed out. the Last time I went I flew my Citabria in. I Followed a "Black" Catalina that I could almost keep up with. Nev

[BrendAn]

27 minutes ago, facthunter said:

Yes that's a typo.  It was called Airshows Down Under at one stage. First time at AVALON, 1992 , Was nearly washed out. the Last time I went I flew my Citabria in. I Followed a "Black" Catalina that I could almost keep up with. Nev

Yes, I thought it might have been..

When did Avalon airshow start.

 

[facthunter]

92 was the first year at Avalon. There would have been airshows at other Places before then. Pt Cook . I think I can recall going there and Williamstown NSW and Richmond NSW.

[red750]

A number of displays were held at Laverton RAAF base. I attended a few there and saw English Electric Lightnings, Avro Vulcan, McDonnell Douglas F4E Phantoms,  Lockheed C124A Globemaster among others.

[red750]

Traffic heading to Avalon.

 

[walrus]

I didn't even bother to look up for Avalon bound aircraft. The only exception being when the compelling blade slap of a pair of  Chinooks took me back to my youth.

 

far more interested in watching the Russian videos on youtube as they make an object lesson out of Ukraine for any country that believes U.S promises and encouragements to war. 

 

Translation: When someone says 'lets you and him fight" its smart to run away.

[onetrack]

Sorry, I must have missed something at the start of the Ukraine/Russia war? I seem to recall it was a massive attack launched on the Ukraine by Putin - who called it a "three-day special military operation" to root out those terrible Ukrainian Nazis - but obviously I got it all wrong, it was actually a massive attack launched on an unsuspecting Russia, by those terrible Ukrainian Nazis. 😞 

[BrendAn]

16 minutes ago, walrus said:

I didn't even bother to look up for Avalon bound aircraft. The only exception being when the compelling blade slap of a pair of  Chinooks took me back to my youth.

 

far more interested in watching the Russian videos on youtube as they make an object lesson out of Ukraine for any country that believes U.S promises and encouragements to war. 

 

Translation: When someone says 'lets you and him fight" its smart to run away.

what are you going on about .

[Moneybox]

Is this something to do with the military aircraft arriving at Avalon of did we get a little off the theme of this thread?

[walrus]

Money:

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Is this something to do with the military aircraft arriving at Avalon of did we get a little off the theme of this thread?

 Actually NOT off the topic of this thread because we buy military aircraft to fight wars, not just entertain children. There is an exception to this for military transport aircraft that are dual use.

 

So when we acquire military aircraft, we should consider  for what cause we will employ them. Obviously, defence of our own homeland is most likely an honourable use, assuming its not another nation coming after us for our trangressions elsewhere.

 

However outside that direct defence usage, we start getting into grey areas quite quickly - things like "coallitions of the willing" and similar bullcrap.

 

As a result of our "buy american" strategy we no longer have operational sovereignty over large chunks of our equipment. The F35's wont work if the USA decides they shouldn't, similarly other stuff.

 

So its time to review : Considering the history of the countries the US has helped, how far should we go to support them?

[facthunter]

The Current USA Gov't have to accept FULL responsibility for the way they have "chosen" to treat former loyal allies and broken existing agreements, unilaterally Them's the facts of the Matter.   Nev

[skippydiesel]

Walrus;

 

Up until Australia was cast adrift by the British during WW2, we were completely dependent on the Poms. All facets - cultural, economic & military came from the "mother country". Even after WW2 we continued to depend on British market for the sale of our products. Then the Poms delivered a final "kick in the goolies" when they entered the European Common Market - cast adrift once more, we had to find other buyers of our products.

 

We should have learnt from those hard lessons , but nooooo we transferred our dependency to Uncle Sam. Willingly subverted our culture to a pseudo US one and sent our troops to die in futile, unwarranted/ ill-conceived wars in the name of Yanky colonialism.

 

The American came to our aid in WW2, not out of the goodness of their hearts/kindred spirits but because we were an unsinkable aircraft/troop carrier in the Pacific - a launching platform. 

 

Since day one of european colonisation, we have looked to others for manufactured goods, rather than develop industry of our own. The car industry is such a good/recent example - Australia developed two very good cars (Ford/Holden) - should have been the Volvos of the southern hemisphere, sold to the World - but no - we tried to bribe, with bucket loads of taxpayers $$$, the US parent companies to continue. Their allegiance was elsewhere and we lost not only a jewel but also a strategic industry. Our Gov should have done what they recently did with Whyalla - we would still be making Australian cars today.

 

Despite our immense geographic size we are a small country. It behoves us to have allegiances with the more powerful. This should never have been allowed to develop into dependency, with successive prime ministers, behaving like whipped puppies, when in the presence of American Presidents - sickening!

 

Like all great powers before it, the US is a bully. No country should get too close to a bully, least the bully flatten the unsuspecting sycophant for no good reason, other than a display of strength..

 

There is a chance that the Trump may inadvertently be good for use - our leaders may learn  & work towards true independence😈

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[red750]

My daughter went yesterday and said the flying program was pretty much curtailed, primarily the Matt Hall Show plus the military.The Temora heritage warbirds did not fly. GA/light aircraft static display at the far end. She got a couple ofphotos like the ones below plus shaky video of the Raptor, Hornet and lots of sky.