Abolish ASIC

[pmccarthy]

I recently got an AVID which cost, I think, around $100. It is just a letter saying that you have had a security check. I have not found out when or where to use it. I am particularly interested to know whether it will save me from a fine if I enter a security controlled airport alone or with passengers. If not, what is it for?

[Jerry_Atrick]

I understand the AVID is required to fly anywhere in Aus, where as the ASIC is required to be able for security controlled airports (unless you can arrange someone with an ASIC to escort you in the secured parts of the airport at all times).

 

From memory, ASIC lasts two years and AVID lasts 5

 

Haven't read this and often I have found CASA general info web pages out of date: 

Security requirements for pilots

WWW.CASA.GOV.AU

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Learn about the aviation security requirements for pilots and how to apply for your preferred option.

 

Edited yesterday at 03:26 PM by Jerry_Atrick

[skippydiesel]

Hi Jerry,

 

I had forgotten just how badly writen, full of apparent contradictions, crazy prerequisites & exceptions, the "Security  requirements for pilots"  & the associated document, is.

 

Here are a few examples:

• Pilots under 18 must have an ASIC (2 years)
• Pilots under 18 can not apply for an AVID (5 years)
• AVID's do not give the holder access to airside/security area of an airport.
• You can be escorted by an AVID holder ithrough the security area
• To hold an AVID you must have a currentaviaton medical (sick people being known security risks)
• ASIC would seem to be aimed at work related needs (not private pilots)
• Red ASICS give you some access to security controlled/airside areas
• Grey ASICS do not give you access to airside- why would you want or need one?
• White ASICS give sweet FA.
• Then there is a VIC - Bureaucracy gone completely made 

  "A visitor identification card (VIC) can be issued to a person, if the person needs to enter a secure area of a security controlled airport for a lawful purpose.

  Followed by more insanity the Temporary AirCrew Card 

• "A Temporary Aircrew Card (TAC) can be issued by an aircraft operator if either of the following applies: the person holds a valid red or grey ASIC, however, the person does not physically have their ASIC on them"

Further confusion;

 

(1) Subject to subregulations (4), (4A) and (5), regulations 3.05 to 3.09 and subregulations 3.18(2) and 3.26(2):

 (a) a person in the airside security zone of a security controlled airport must properly display a valid red ASIC; and

 (b) a person in a secure area (other than the airside security zone) of such an airport must properly display either a valid red ASIC or a valid grey ASIC.

 

4A) At a security controlled airport from or to which no screened air service operates, paragraphs (1)(a) and (b) apply only during traffic periods.😈

[Roundsounds]

1 hour ago, skippydiesel said:

Hi Jerry,

 

I had forgotten just how badly writen, full of apparent contradictions, crazy prerequisites & exceptions, the "Security  requirements for pilots"  & the associated document, is.

 

Here are a few examples:

• Pilots under 18 must have an ASIC (2 years)
• Pilots under 18 can not apply for an AVID (5 years)
• AVID's do not give the holder access to airside/security area of an airport.
• You can be escorted by an AVID holder ithrough the security area
• To hold an AVID you must have a currentaviaton medical (sick people being known security risks)
• ASIC would seem to be aimed at work related needs (not private pilots)
• Red ASICS give you some access to security controlled/airside areas
• Grey ASICS do not give you access to airside- why would you want or need one?
• White ASICS give sweet FA.
• Then there is a VIC - Bureaucracy gone completely made 

  "A visitor identification card (VIC) can be issued to a person, if the person needs to enter a secure area of a security controlled airport for a lawful purpose.

  Followed by more insanity the Temporary AirCrew Card 

• "A Temporary Aircrew Card (TAC) can be issued by an aircraft operator if either of the following applies: the person holds a valid red or grey ASIC, however, the person does not physically have their ASIC on them"

Further confusion;

 

(1) Subject to subregulations (4), (4A) and (5), regulations 3.05 to 3.09 and subregulations 3.18(2) and 3.26(2):

 (a) a person in the airside security zone of a security controlled airport must properly display a valid red ASIC; and

 (b) a person in a secure area (other than the airside security zone) of such an airport must properly display either a valid red ASIC or a valid grey ASIC.

 

4A) At a security controlled airport from or to which no screened air service operates, paragraphs (1)(a) and (b) apply only during traffic periods.😈

Bottom line is if you’re a private pilot and not based at or regularly operating from a Security Controlled airport get an AVID. You could argue any pilot who doesn’t have the need for an ASIC is breaking the law by obtaining one. When I have to pay for my own ASIC I’ll be switching to an AVID. 

[pmccarthy]

That was my thinking, I had an ASIC from when they came in, but this time I decided to follow the instructions on the ASIC application. It says that you can only apply if you have a regular need to access security controlled airports. I have only done it half a dozen times in twenty years so I should not apply for an ASIC.

[440032]

You are correct Peter. (p.s. we sold your plane)

 

Transport Security Regulations 2005

6.28 an issuing body may issue an ASIC only if (a) the person has an operational need for an ASIC.

6.01 Definitions

Operational need means a requirement for frequent access to all or part of a secure area.... (airport or aircraft operation...)

 

I have virtually no operational need for an ASIC, therefore I am not even eligible to apply for one. Sure, I could just say I have frequent need, but that is not true.

I have been airside going about my business (not flying) (once a year approx) at various capital city airports over the years with no ASIC. Even clearly seen by roving security at one. What happened? Nothing.

[skippydiesel]

6 hours ago, Roundsounds said:

Bottom line is if you’re a private pilot and not based at or regularly operating from a Security Controlled airport get an AVID. You could argue any pilot who doesn’t have the need for an ASIC is breaking the law by obtaining one. When I have to pay for my own ASIC I’ll be switching to an AVID. 

 

1 hour ago, pmccarthy said:

That was my thinking, I had an ASIC from when they came in, but this time I decided to follow the instructions on the ASIC application. It says that you can only apply if you have a regular need to access security controlled airports. I have only done it half a dozen times in twenty years so I should not apply for an ASIC.

• AVID's do not give the holder access to airside/security area of an airport.

Read my brief summary - above.

 

I thought it did, until I read the regulations this morning 😈

[Thruster88]

What we need is Avid+, or Avid premium, $20 extra for the extra button press or two on the security computer back ground check. Good for those who only need occasional access to "secure" regional airports, same 5 year duration or make it 10 like a passport,  then I think we would all be happy. 

 

If I was a journalist there would be many questions. 

 

 

Edited 15 hours ago by Thruster88

[BurnieM]

What we need is the same system as the country with the Twin Towers incident that started all this.

 

[coljones]

This suggests that you need to have a CASA license to get an ASIC.

 

"

Applying for your ASIC

Paying for and Collecting your ASIC

 

 

As a General Aviation pilot who is not paid in their role (i.e. a member of a general aviation flight club), you will not have an Employer who can sponsor your operational need. 

 

When applying in the Applicant Portal, you will be asked to enter an Employer Code. 

You will need to use an Employer Code provided by AusCheck specifically for General Aviation pilots. To obtain this code you should speak to your flight club or contact AusCheck. 

 

AusCheck will validate your pilot's licence with CASA prior to sending your application for background checking. 

 

Operational Need Template for General Aviation: 

 

"I am a recreational pilot and hold a current Flight Crew Licence ... (Licence Number) issued by the Civil Aviation Safety Authority (CASA). I require an ASIC for unescorted access to ... (specify location or locations if AUS wide is required) to support this activity. 

 

You will be required to bring your flight crew licence to the identity verification appointment to be uploaded as evidence of operational need. There will be no other changes to the identity verification process. 

 

Canberra Region General Aviation pilots: You will need to ensure you select Department of Home Affairs - Canberra when choosing your Verifier.

 

South Australian General Aviation pilots: You will need to ensure you select Department of Home Affairs - AusCheck - Adelaide Airport when choosing your Verifier."

 

SUCH IS LIFE 

[BurnieM]

Yep.

You need an ASIC before applying for a RPL or PPL.

I believe you do not have to maintain it after the first issue.

 

Edited 13 hours ago by BurnieM