Abolish ASIC

[turboplanner]

1 hour ago, BrendAn said:

I don't mind getting an ASIC but why charge $300 for it and why can't they accept other is that we may already have. For instance my cat h handgun licence took months of applications and security checks ,

Finger prints etc.  surely something like that would suffice for airside entrance. Like everything else now ASIC is supplied by third party providers and they all have their hand out for your cash.

By the time you go through the hoops to update your firearms licence I'd say the cost was well above $300.00.

You still need a fishing licence and if you want to keep birds, another licence and if you want to keep sheep or cattle another licence, and there's a difference between State jurisdictions and Federal jurisdictions, and I'm not sure whether you can carry firearms interstate without some form of licence acceptable to that state any more, and that's before you decide to get some gelignite to take out a few stumps.

[onetrack]

It's been a long time since gelignite was manufactured, Turbo! You obviously haven't blown out stumps for at least 40 years! Nowadays, using explosives for stump removal is not exactly an "approved purpose", there's any amount of earthmoving equipment will do the same thing, without breaking all the windows in neighbouring houses!

[turboplanner]

47 minutes ago, facthunter said:

AOPA is a different  functioning thing entirely to the other two. It can freely  advocate for Pilots and Aircraft owners.. That's it purpose. Nev

Check  its   status     

[turboplanner]

25 minutes ago, onetrack said:

It's been a long time since gelignite was manufactured, Turbo! You obviously haven't blown out stumps for at least 40 years! Nowadays, using explosives for stump removal is not exactly an "approved purpose", there's any amount of earthmoving equipment will do the same thing, without breaking all the windows in neighbouring houses!

Well I wasn't going to say what we used, was I.

[skippydiesel]

I find it interesting that Turbs, the supporter of all things security, lists the following license, as somehow comparable to ASIC, as applied to private pilots:

• Firearms - This is a way of controlling the number of legal firearms in the community. To the beast of my knowledge all functional firearms, are all capable of killing/injuring humans, by deliberate or accidental act. For the most part an applicant must show acceptable cause, to own a gun and training standard met, to be issued with a license. This may  prevent the Martin Bryant type personalities from arming themselves and performing a terrorist act. Most rational people see this as a reasonable precaution to minimise the incidents of spontaniouse/accidental use against a person. It has little, if any effect on criminals, who have other ways of acquiring firearms but may make theft as a source less available.. 
• Fishing - Helps to monitor/control the exploitation of our fish populations - some of the revenue may go to research - most anglers & fishers support licensing as a method of enusring the continence of their recreation/livelihood.
• Birds - The keeping of any non native animal is a potential threat to the Australian ecosystem, thus should be tightly controlled. The keeping of native animals is also strictly controlled, to minimise the impact of the wildlife trade on our ecosystem & to ensure those few holders are keeping the animals in a human environment. Worthy reasons both.
• Sheep & cattle  -Unmitigated BS

In every case (other than the livestock BS) the licensing serves a worthwhile goal that is appreciated/supported by most.

ASIC on the other hand, as it applies to private pilots accessing small rural airports, serve no disenable purpose. It is but an unfortunate byproduct of a ill thought out  policy, that should have been modified/rescinded years ago.😈

[facthunter]

The THING is that it is very unlikely to get changed, so why go on and on about it?   It's very unlikely to be ABOLISHED, A review of it's application would be justified. Nev

[440032]

Just heard from a fella who has a friend from USA coming out to do some flying around in OZ. Has to get a FAA to CASA licence conversion and they won't issue that until he has an ASIC. ASIC place won't issue an ASIC until he has the CASA licence.

WHAT the absolute.........

Clearly his first mistake was to even bother with either of them.

[BrendAn]

2 hours ago, turboplanner said:

By the time you go through the hoops to update your firearms licence I'd say the cost was well above $300.00.

You still need a fishing licence and if you want to keep birds, another licence and if you want to keep sheep or cattle another licence, and there's a difference between State jurisdictions and Federal jurisdictions, and I'm not sure whether you can carry firearms interstate without some form of licence acceptable to that state any more, and that's before you decide to get some gelignite to take out a few stumps.

ok. the gun license is subject to a lot more security scrutiny than an asic . an asic is only a security clearance too.

a fishing license is charged to cover the cost of restocking and fisheries management.

i am sure the other licenses you mentioned are for similar reasons.

you are listing a heap of stuff that has nothing to do with the subject.

[skippydiesel]

"...........you want to keep sheep or cattle another licence"

 I am unaware of needing a license to conduct livestock husbandry (sheep & cattle). This little fabrication, gives an insight into Turbo's pro ASIC argument -  mostly thought bubble  !😈