Training: J160 or Cessna 172

[Guest Peter Martin]

Hi Chris

 

What

 

 

[ckaine]

The weight shouldn't be too much of a problem.

 

However, the instructor has said that he would rather not do the Nav's in the J160.

 

Said it's quite a handful as the Jab doesn't fly as well 'hands off' as the 172.

 

Your thoughts??

 

 

[Guest Peter Martin]

Hi Chris

 

What a dellemma he is in I must admit I had not flown for almost 10 years and decided to get back into it so I went the way of a skyfox first very easy to fly then a PA28 then C152 to renew my BFR GA then J230 and finally the J160 which I must say was a little quirky to get used to the landings my suggestion for what its worth is go the Skyfox first if it is available if not then the J230 if available then the GA option I think he will be a better pilot for it I think the GA types are made to be easy to fly and I guess make us a little lazy as my instructor RAA put it

 

cheers and good luck

 

there seems to be a great deal of good information here

 

peter martin:thumb_up:

 

 

[dingduck]

Just noticed Merv's L O N G post . 2 thoughts:

 

- PPL (& RRA cert. for that matter) are a standard, not a box ticking / hrs building exercise. So how does the same person get to the same standard, ie PPL, in less hrs via RAA?

 

- I think CTA training should be added to the budget as part of the RAA Cert or to PPL conversion because that would be a normal part of PPL training. RAA CTA sylabus requires 3 flights.

 

 

[motzartmerv]

Dingduck.. From what i can gather this guy is wanting a PPl.. so obviously a standard will need to be reached. The differance is how much $$$ will that standard cost to be obtained.. The CTA flights needed for PPL could be done in the ultralight to hey??

 

Ps, my face is turning blue waiting for the RAA cta endo...

 

cheers

 

 

[dingduck]

That blue colour is from holding your breath mate, very unhealthy thing to do when CASA's involved!

 

 

[Thx1137]

Ps, my face is turning blue waiting for the RAA cta endo...

cheers

Don't worry. It will be Real Soon Now !!

 

Start worrying when you get to purple :thumb_up:

 

Steven.

 

 

[turboplanner]

Famous last words

 

 

[turboplanner]

From the comments made on various posts about the difficulty of flying some RAA aircraft, I get the feeling the total costs are going to be much closer because of the high dual hours, and more solo practice in RAA

 

 

[skydog]

Chris,

 

I think your Father is right.

 

I believe he will get thru faster on the 172 than learn to land the trickier Jab which can add hours and dollars to the programme for the average pilot in my opinion.

 

Why not learn in a 150 to make it cheaper again?

 

He can convert to the Jab later with landing experience under his belt and without having to go for a PPL!

 

I have seen Jab students take 30 hours to go solo, the average seems to be about 20.

 

He also may consider learning in Gazelle or similar which is easier to land and fly go solo, then convert to Jab later

 

 

[Mazda]

I haven't flown a Jab so I can't comment on their handling characteristics.

 

I have a fair bit of time in various C172 models (the older ones are a bit different from the newer ones) and can say they are a stable flying platform (so perhaps reasonable for navs) but they are cumbersome things. Sometimes they are a bit too stable. You are very forgiving in slow flight, which makes landing in some ways easier, but could also mean people who have just trained in 172s could be in trouble in other types. They are not very forgiving in a crosswind though. They don't give very exciting moments in the stall, so again it could lead to complacency in other types.

 

I do think initially it would be good to fly in something a little less stable to encourage better handling skills. (However it may be less frustrating to fly in something stable.) I think that's why traditional GA schools tend to use basic trainers like the C152, Tomahawk, Airtourer, Citabria etc up to GFPT, then on to something like a 172 for navs. But there is more room in a 172 for taller, bigger people. Plus the trainers are cheaper to hire.

 

As for RA-Aus or GA to start, the RA-Aus would definitely be cheaper. One thing to consider is if the school follows a similar syllabus for both types of training. Make sure the GA theory tests are done (BAK, PPL theory) along the way.

 

Another thing is that it isn't hard and fast. If he doesn't like the Jab, he could always decide to change to the 172!

 

 

[flyinghigh]

Heaps of good advice given already. I started out with a PPL, training in C152, DA20 and C172. A couple of years later, I joined RAA and did my transition training in a J160. I reckon I learnt to fly then!

 

For ease of learning, the C172 is an easy winner. It's easier to land, it's way more forgiving during training, and it handles the bumps of the hot days a lot better. If you want to train as quickly as possible, and money is no object, go down that path. But, if you want to save a few $$$, go RAA through to Pilot Certificate level at the very least (GA "GFPT" equivalent). If at a flying school that offers RAA and GA, then their training program should make the transition to PPL extremely easy.

 

No matter what you choose, enjoy your flying :-)

 

 

[turboplanner]

If it's going to take you 30 hours to solo in a J160 vs 12 hours in a Cherokee, plus proportionate extended time a lot of dollars are involved.

 

Many schools seem to forget that.

 

 

[Benjamin Pitt]

lol, check the thread date guys.

 

 

 

[turboplanner]

Thanks for the reminder Benjamin.

 

We're further down the track with costs and experience on today's more common trainers now though

 

 

[Benjamin Pitt]

True, but I'm presuming the original poster is still not debating over what to do given it was almost two years ago.

 

By I digress, by all means continue with advice for others in the same boat now though, as I'm sure many still are.

 

 

[turboplanner]

No he's probably a grandfather

 

 

[shags_j]

Lol. It would seem that Ian has hired a necromancer. Seems to be old threads popping up all over the place.

 

 

[Tomo]

Using the past to power the future.... you see Shags_i

 

:ymca:

 

 

[turboplanner]

And Shags there's been a shortage of new posts lately

 

 

[shags_j]

Yeah i guess so.

 

 

[Admin]

The number of new posts have dropped lately from the very same day as when the Chat Room started i_dunno

 

However, the quality of posts have increased and the number of users logging in every day has also increased by 15%. We are also seeing some of the old members coming back as well so I guess the hard line management is working for the benefit of the majority irrespective of the detractors :big_grin:

 

PS Shags, where's your avatar mate?

 

 

[shags_j]

yeah don't know. Will have to find it again and upload.

 

EDI: Mind you funky gold name is pretty cool ;)