Cowboy Up, and inland

[Student Pilot]

Some of you blokes should get a sense of humour, maybe Ian has some available for sale in the shop? It seems to me the report was written in a lighter tone, maybe some of you blokes replying could do the same?

 

 

[turboplanner]

Just take a look at my aircraft Student Pilot.

 

By the way were you REALLY born in 1903?

 

 

[Student Pilot]

By the way were you REALLY born in 1903?

Seems like it at times ;)

 

 

[facthunter]

Results.

 

SP. I don't have a great sense of humour in the situation where safety and getting killed are concerned, and I will continue in this way (when necessary). I will always accept responsibility for my posts. (The least you should expect of any contributor.) Nev..

 

 

[Bigglesworth]

If you squeak through with 700’ between cloud and terrain, you’re not flying legally, you’re not in VFR.

Unless they've changed it since I learned the rules, Under 1000ft AGL or 3000ft AMSL the requirement is 500 feet AGL (1000 or gliding distance over a town) and clear of cloud.

 

So I was legal.....

 

Also, there would have been no probs going over the clouds, they were full of holes.

 

But thanks for the route, turboplanner, I might try it......

 

Well at least some people enjoyed reading it....

 

Next trip gets called fiction....... proof that truth is stranger than fiction? ;)

 

PS listening to music while flying: I'm a mechnic, I'd pick something wrong long before most, music or no. I have proven this on a few occasions. Not so much on planes, but even then.........

 

PS I had checked all the online forecasts I could get the night before. I will have to check the validity times of Arfors, but I am under the impression that you can't get them the night before? Anyone know?

 

As for nav with nothing except a map, I'd do it anyday. Not bragging. I've done it. When I did the nav test I was in totally unfamiliar area, and after a few diversions on instruments, the instructor said "right, now you don't know exactly where we are, since we went off the plan, find this town" Which I did no problems. And it wasn't on the coast or anything easy like that.

 

Hey I'm not flaming anyone.....

 

If Ian wants to move it to the laughter section, it would fit nicely. Especially now:laugh:

 

 

[Bigglesworth]

Apologies to people of Toc, I'll modify that.

 

 

[Student Pilot]

SP. I don't have a great sense of humour in the situation where safety and getting killed are concerned, and I will continue in this way (when necessary).

Bigglesworth posted 2 minutes after you so he's still around. Who are you talking about dying?

 

 

[turboplanner]

It's looking better and better Bigglesworth.

 

OK guys, who's right and who's wrong about cloud clearance.

 

In my VFG Class G airspace requires a "minimum separation from cloud of 1000 feet vertically and 1500 metres horizontally; and

 

a flight visibility of at least 8 km (if you are at an altitude above 10,000 feet) and more than 5000 metres (if you are below 10,000 feet)."

 

 

[facthunter]

???

 

I thought I have made my position quite clear. SP, I don't understand your last post. Nev..

 

 

[Guest Ken deVos]

It's looking better and better Bigglesworth.OK guys, who's right and who's wrong about cloud clearance.

 

In my VFG Class G airspace requires a "minimum separation from cloud of 1000 feet vertically and 1500 metres horizontally; and

 

a flight visibility of at least 8 km (if you are at an altitude above 10,000 feet) and more than 5000 metres (if you are below 10,000 feet)."

TP,

 

pp222 of the VFR Flight Guide states "clear of cloud and 5000m visibility at or below 3000ft amsl OR 1000ft agl, whichever is the higher". Sounds doublespeak but the accompanying pic says it all.

 

 

[Barefootpilot]

its clear of cloud bellow 3000' MSL or 1000' agl. Above 3000' its 1000' and 1500mtrs.

 

 

[Guest Ken deVos]

Here is the pic mentioned in my post

 

 

 

[turboplanner]

BW, you're off the hook with this conflicting reference material apparently available from CASA.

 

What year is the VFG you are referring to Ken - that looks to me like the GA definition of minimum 500' AGL flight and 500' from cloud = min 1000' cloud base AGL>

 

What I quoted from is page 134 and 135 from the 2008 VFG

 

 

[Guest Ken deVos]

TP, the info is from the Visual Flight Rules Guide [Ver 2, July 2007, CASA] as recently supplied on CD by RA-Aus. The pic is also on the RA-Aus site here

 

Airspace

 

BTW, is your 2008 reference also a CASA document?

 

 

[Barefootpilot]

Turbo there is nothing saying at least 500' from cloud it is purely clear of cloud so you can have you tail sitting in it as long as your heads not. I'm not saying is smart but I am saying it legal.

 

Jeppesen Reference is Vol 1 ATC AU-504.

 

 

[Guest Ken deVos]

The reference is in the AIP at para 1.2-6 and is found here

 

http://www.airservicesaustralia.com/publications/current/aip/enr/1_2_1-6.pdf

 

 

[turboplanner]

The 2008 document I'm quoting from is from Aviation Theory Centre, so Ken I'll copy your Nov 2008 details and ask them for a comment

 

 

[turboplanner]

Adam, forget I mentioned the 500' figure, it's from years ago and there was no horizontal visibility requirement. Arguably 5 km horizontal visibility is going to give you more chance of turning around than the old reg. At the moment it's looking as if Ken's right, but I'm just waiting for ATC to confirm their information.

 

 

[Yenn]

What a good post. It has got everyone thinking and that is a good thing. As far as the original post goes it is a bit like Pauline Hansons maiden speech. A lot more is read into it than it actually contains. Maybe Biggles should become a politician.

 

 

[Student Pilot]

Clear of cloud is a a more realistic goal, distance from is very hard to judge.

 

 

[Bigglesworth]

Hey, Yenn

 

Now people are starting to see things my way

 

;)

 

 

[turboplanner]

Relax BW, they are actually trying to help with your experience

 

 

[Tomo]

Well I think this thread has been very informative:thumb_up:... and if it wasn't for Mr. Bigglesworth's story it wouldn't have happened... so good on-you to all, even if was getting a bit high in post temperature:loopy:i_dunno:blush::big_grin:

 

Ps. Have you all noticed BW signature?? "Fly first, Ask question later...!!" No offense intended BW :big_grin:

 

 

[dunlopdangler]

PHeww...I've been away for a while and logged on and this was the first thread I read thru....thought I logged onto pprune...

 

 

[Student Pilot]

PHeww...I've been away for a while and logged on and this was the first thread I read thru....thought I logged onto pprune...

Not enough personal attacks, vitreol, ganging up, pig headedness, Dick Smith bashing and hero-worship of captains for prune, it still is a bit harsh for Rec.