Guess the plane

[PA.]

How about this...

Jeremy Clarkson Power 8000 or an Antonov AN-22

 

 

[red750]

That's right Marty_d. From the Hillson Praga production list:

 

HA.20 Regd G-AEON (CofR 7409) 3.11.36 to F Hills & Sons Ltd. First flight 6.11.36. CofA 5727 issued 4.12.36 (quoting c/n 1). Regn cld 12.36 as sold. Regd VH-UVP (CofR 632/CofA 589) 20.4.37 (quoting c/n 1) to D McArthur-Onslow; op by Light Aircraft Pty Ltd, Sydney. Regd 1.12.41 to JH Bowden, Kogarah, NSW. Regd 28.2.42 to TA Barrett, Orange, NSW. Sold 28.4.42 & regd 6.5.42 (back) to JH Bowden, Kogarah, NSW. Dbf in Bowden Air Transport workshop, Broken Hill, NSW 16.4.45.

 

HA.21 First flight 18.1.37; CofA 5773 issued 19.1.37 to D McArthur Onslow. Regd VH-UXQ (CofR 650) 13.7.37 to Light Aircraft Pty Ltd, Camden, NSW. Sold 24.9.37 to Royal Aero Club of South Australia, Adelaide. Sold 23.5.41 & regd 29.5.41 to HT Dalton, Albert Park, Vic. Sold 11.12.43 & regd 16.1.44 to JH Bowden, Broken Hill, NSW. Sold 23.9.44 & regd 11.10.44 to WJ Porter, Temora, NSW. Dbf 19.11.44.

 

HA.22 First flight 23.1.37; CofA 5774 issued 23.1.37 to D McArthur Onslow. Regd VH-UXR (CofR 721/CofA 678) 15.6.38 to Light Aircraft Pty Ltd, Camden, NSW. Regn cld 28.8.40; regd 20.9.40 to EE Condon, Wagga Wagga, NSW. Sold 28.7.42 & regd 1.8.42 to JR Pater, Middle Park, Vic. Crashed on landing Coode Island, Vic 11.9.43. Regn cld 28.9.43.

 

 

[Marty_d]

Jeremy Clarkson Power 8000 or an Antonov AN-22

Yup. To the Antonov AN22 anyway, didn't know Clarkson had renamed it.

 

 

[Guest Maj Millard]

Big Russian mutha .....

 

 

[red750]

[SDQDI]

Looks like a little plane got stuck in the cowling of a nice big jet engine:whistling:

 

 

[Marty_d]

I can picture it doing continual aileron rolls as the pilot tries to see over the wing...

 

 

[pmccarthy]

Tilt the wing to check traffic before you turn.....well that didn't work! I think it must be Russian.

 

 

[planedriver]

2004 Narushevich Ring Wing experimental from Minch Belarus

 

 

[red750]

Not too difficult, eh?

 

 

[planedriver]

Only took me a a couple of hours and best part of a bottle of red, as I remembered coming across it a few nights before while researching another one of yours.

 

I'm a semi-retired profesional person so maybe I can can send you a bill for the time it took me. After all you invited us to name that plane.

 

Thank God we don't live in the litigious USA or these posts might grind to an abrupt halt.

 

Kind regards

 

Planey

 

 

[red750]

[Marty_d]

My initial thought was "That's what you get after 3 bottles of red, a pen and a napkin" and my second thought was "Burt Rutan".

 

Second one was correct. ATAC Predator 480.

 

 

[red750]

Full marks. Marty. Far out design for a cropduster.

 

 

[red750]

Something a little harder:

 

 

 

[facthunter]

Sikorsky helicopter? Nev

 

 

[red750]

No, Nev. Fixed wing.

 

 

[Marty_d]

Bet it handles like a tank.

 

 

[red750]

Hint: Purpose built to provide a stable platform.

 

 

[Head in the clouds]

This might be a good thread to see if someone can help with a family photo -

 

The top one shows my Uncle when he was assigned his first fighter, a Hurricane.

 

The bottom was taken on or close to the same time, same roll of negatives anyway, and we'd always assumed it was also a Hurricane, perhaps an earlier model used for type conversion training, but I only had a close look at it for the first time recently and see that there are many differences particularly in the landing gear - also the wingtips. Any ideas anyone? The photos were taken in late 1942 or early 1943.

 

 

 

 

[bexrbetter]

Great pictures HITC, almost afraid to ask but how did your Uncle fare through the war?

 

 

[IanR]

This might be a good thread to see if someone can help with a family photo -The top one shows my Uncle when he was assigned his first fighter, a Hurricane.

 

The bottom was taken on or close to the same time, same roll of negatives anyway, and we'd always assumed it was also a Hurricane, perhaps an earlier model used for type conversion training, but I only had a close look at it for the first time recently and see that there are many differences particularly in the landing gear - also the wingtips. Any ideas anyone? The photos were taken in late 1942 or early 1943.

 

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I think its a Miles Master with a Rolls Royce Kestrel engine - advanced trainer.

 

 

[red750]

http://www.constable.ca/caah/MilesMaster.htm

[Head in the clouds]

Great pictures HITC, almost afraid to ask but how did your Uncle fare through the war?

Well, interesting you should ask. I thought I knew all the history of it, he was my mother's brother and they were pretty close, so she didn't like to talk about it much and I've only just found out that my understanding of the story was a bit wrong.

 

Just the other day I told a little of the story as I understood it, on the Childhood Memories thread so this is a good chance to correct the details perhaps.

 

By pure co-incidence my father's brother contacted me the other day and said that some Society or other is publishing a book and refurbishing the War Memorial that's dedicated to those who were lost from their area in UK during the wars. My older brother, John, happened across the Serial Number of the plane my Uncle John was killed in (my brother was named in honour of my uncle), and that made it easier to do some research and find out more of the story.

 

Uncle John (John Richard King-Meggat) went into the RAF in late 1941 or early 1942 and was sent immediately to Florida for flight training. He was based at Carlstrom Field, Arcadia, which is part of the Riddle Aeronautical Institute (still exists) and he did his ab-initio training in the AT-6 (aka Harvard). He completed his training in April/May 1942 and was by then engaged to an American lass. I have my Uncle's flight training manual and it's a terrific book, I may get around to scanning it one day and posting some of it.

 

In late 1942 a new Squadron was formed in UK (re-formed actually, after having been disbanded in 1919), 193 Sqn, and he was posted there. They were based at RAF Harrowbeer near Yelverton in Devon. He completed conversion training to Hurricanes and then spent the next 8-9 months on bomber escort duties.

 

In early 1943 a British ex-pat living in Brazil organised for a Brazilian Association called the "Bellows Brazil" to start collecting money to 'adopt/sponsor' etc a fighter aircraft. This sort of thing was happening all over the Empire. They were very successful fundraisers so they ended up adopting the whole Squadron and on 16th October 1943 they had a presentation ceremony where they handed over 9 brand new Hawker Gloster Typhoons. One of them was assigned to my Uncle, Serial JP902, code designation DP-G (DP was 193 Sqn).

 

The Typhoon was a powerful fighter bomber somewhat equivalent in weight and firepower to the P51 Mustang and so was an excellent ground attack aircraft, but which had more than its share of troubles. It variously lost its tailfeathers, overheated the cockpit, poisoned the pilot with carbon monoxide and had double supercharged 2000hp 24 cyl Napier slide-valve engines that liked to be perverse. They also looked quite like the FW 190 so tended to attract friendly fire. Consequently they were the first aircraft to wear the distinctive black and white stripes like the D Day stripes but only under the wings, and the pilots used oxygen from start-up to shut-down. When all was going well they were a force to be reckoned with and provided a lot of ground support for the Normandy Invasion.

 

Sadly my Uncle didn't make it to Normandy, through the winter of 1942/43 they continued with the bomber escort duties because the Typhoon had a long range and so could escort the bombers deep into Germany, unlike the Hurricanes and Spits which had to turn back over France/Belgium. When they weren't escorting they were tank, bridge, train and tunnel-busting.

 

On 2nd Feb '43 they went out on ground strikes in the Cherbourg, France, area and the weather was foul so they stooged around for a while then aborted the mission. If they still had armed bombs loaded they always dropped them in the sea before landing to prevent them detonating in case they had an incident on landing. This time when the flight jettisoned their bombs my Uncle's plane was directly below and he went down in the sea 16km north of Cap de Hague.

 

A few days later some of the squadron members, friends of Uncle John, went to my grandparents home to tell them about it, it must have been a dreadful duty for them.

 

It's a tragic story of course but it's good to have the internet and be able to find out more. I've found a couple of detailed descriptions of the incident, other pilot's logbook entries that describe it, memorials for all those lost from the squadron, the stories about the squadron's successes, losses and events were also printed in the newspapers in Brazil. There is also a RAF Harrowbeer interest group that is involved with the preservation of the remains of the airfield which is fairly intact since it is now a farm and is one of the few which has not had housing estates built all over it, plenty to see on Google Earth for anyone that may be interested.

 

I think its a Miles Master with a Rolls Royce Kestrel engine - advanced trainer.

Thank you Ian R and red750! I don't think I'd have guessed enough to track that one down. Looks like they came with the radial engine or the Rolls inline. I hadn't noticed the bulge under the wing.

 

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EDIT - There was a semi-amusing incident the day of the presentation of the new Typhoons. There were a bunch of dignitaries from the RAF and also from the Bellows Brazil organisation and they'd planned a fly-past of the new planes in salute of the occasion but the weather was totally socked in and pouring with rain so someone suggested a taxi-past instead. This they did with due solemnity, in a V formation but one of the wingmen got a bit out of line and gave a burst of power to catch up.

 

The event was being broadcast on the BBC radio and they had a mobile broadcast van at the airfield. Unfortunately the hapless pilot who was trying to get back in line hit the braodcast van wrecking it and the brand new Typhoon, so the squadron continued with eight instead of nine.

 

Since people were kind enough to show an interest here are a couple more pics - Uncle John in one and his Typhoon, ground crew and mechanics.

 

 

 

 

[gareth lacey]

HTC great story

 

cheers gareth