Recreational weight increase...

[Burlc]

If the aircraft is R-A registed you are restricted to that weight.For example a Jabiru 230 R-A registed is legal at 600kg as a LSA. VH registed it is legal at 750kg. This part of the equasion does not change if the pilot has a ppl or an R-A license. This also shows the stupidity of it all. Same plane but different weight allowed only due to who it is registed under.

 

 

[Guest Crezzi]

If the aircraft is R-A registed you are restricted to that weight.For example a Jabiru 230 R-A registed is legal at 600kg as a LSA. VH registed it is legal at 750kg. This part of the equasion does not change if the pilot has a ppl or an R-A license. This also shows the stupidity of it all. Same plane but different weight allowed only due to who it is registed under.

Quite so but with a PPL you don't have to fly a Jabiru - theres all those fantastic GA possibilities !

 

 

[Guest basscheffers]

Don't forget that submitting to these stupid, arbitrary restrictions is what makes it affordable to fly. Without these restrictions, we are just GA. Then why would they give us cheap flying?

 

The only solution is to break up GA into private and commercial, where commercial requires LAMEs and such and private operates much like we do, but without the restrictions.

 

In my mind, that would make much more sense than the RA/GA split we have now.

 

 

[Guest ozzie]

Might be best to throw the whole lot in the bin and start again. and this time leave Middo out of it.

 

 

[BLA82]

All you guys want your cake and to eat it aswell. You want all these freedoms of height and weight but will be the first to jump up and down when registrations are increased, medicals a made mandatory and LAME's will get involved. There is nothing stopping you flying a 900kg aircraft now just go get a ppl. Leave RA-AUS alone and keep our freedoms secure.

 

We all don't want to fly big lumps of tin and be scrutinised to high heaven. Don't fix what is not broken

 

 

[winsor68]

I'm with BLA on this one...I can see all this being the end of Ultralight flying in Australia...If people want more start a separate movement for these things...or go GA and get that changed.

 

 

[BLA82]

:thumb_up:here here:thumb_up:

 

 

[Guest watto]

Yeh, I think CASA are just standing gaurd over what has been their patch of dirt for a long time, and who can blame them as they probably see it as the beginning of more to come, which it is.

 

As BLA said you cannot have your cake and eat it to so we really just have to be patient, sensible and most of all professional in how we handle these delays, that is the real test for us is to see how we manage the set backs and delays! if we maintain our professionalism and dignity we will get there in the end and in the mean time we get to have a very privileged hobby that a lot of people do not even dare to dream about.

 

Happy flying chaps

 

Watto

 

 

[pudestcon]

All you guys want your cake and to eat it aswell. You want all these freedoms of height and weight but will be the first to jump up and down when registrations are increased, medicals a made mandatory and LAME's will get involved. There is nothing stopping you flying a 900kg aircraft now just go get a ppl. Leave RA-AUS alone and keep our freedoms secure.We all don't want to fly big lumps of tin and be scrutinised to high heaven. Don't fix what is not broken

I must agree with you to a certain extent BLA82,

 

I like the rag and tube end of the flying spectrum which is relatively cheap to participate in and when I hear stories of "Ultralights" costing $50,000 - $100,000+:faint:my hair stands on end..... Just not sure where it will end and I can see the costs escalating rapidly and that I am sure will never end.

 

The wheel turns slowly and I can see the day when the rumblings of a break away group will be heard; and NO I do not want that to happen. I feel powerless is all.

 

Pud

 

 

[winsor68]

You just have to look at the history of Gliding in Australia to see where this is going...Gliding used to be a sport any one could enjoy on a modest budget...the modern expensive machines with high maintenance costs put an end to that...even if you could do a lot of your own maintenance still the skills required for the average Joe were lost and became too specialized...

 

 

[Guest ozzie]

CASA or the CAA at the time could not offload the responsibility of control to the sporting bodies fast enough. They are like any other Govt body the most $ for the least effort. the whole show and i've been a member of at least 3 different aviation sporting groups over the last 30 plus years is just a game of perks and egos.

 

The only reason i have been trying to push this weight mess along is so it can be finalised and finished with and the RAAus can move on and i can start to push them to start promoting and easing off with the over regulation of the lighter end. i am tired of subsidising the heavy end with fees and rules i don't need nor want.

 

I would like to build a kit that is a two place that can carry some decent weight but with a projected build time of between 6 to 10 years it is just a build exercise.

 

I really prefer to fly my 73kg Lazair. there will be a split soon but it won't come from people seeking more freedom and less restriction concernng weight and cta ect. it will be from the few surviving lighties who are tired of all this crap that just drives up the cost. the only reason i belong to the RAAus is because i live under the threat of goal if i don't. they do not offer me any real benifits to belong.

 

If CASA are not going to move on this weight and cta thing then drop it and get things back into perspective and keep things affordable.

 

Ozzie

 

 

[turboplanner]

A series of stepped regulations would solve your concerns Ozzie.

 

The lighter and slower, the less regulation intrusion, or to put it another way, the heavier and faster, and more people the tougher

 

the regulations for medicals, structure, maintenance standards.

 

If you look further ahead the most likely break from CASA will be private operations versus commercial, primarily based on Public Liability case histories.

 

Human nature is to want to do your own thing, build or fly your own design, and, subject to safety, there's no reason to squash this.

 

In Speedway in Victoria at one stage we had 1100 drivers and over 23 car classes to administer and it was no problem. Each of those classes had their own rules and standards. Although you probably wouldn't notice, on race night there could be two or three changes of officials as the class specialists took over to provide their expertise. Construction standards varied from very basic for the low powered slow cars to very complex for Sprint Cars, so there was a graduated cost of operation depending how serious you were about climbing to the top.

 

Something like this is nothing to fear in fact it would be better than being in the one Ultralight pot so to speak.

 

 

[Guest Cloudsuck]

All you guys want your cake and to eat it aswell. You want all these freedoms of height and weight but will be the first to jump up and down when registrations are increased, medicals a made mandatory and LAME's will get involved. There is nothing stopping you flying a 900kg aircraft now just go get a ppl. Leave RA-AUS alone and keep our freedoms secure.We all don't want to fly big lumps of tin and be scrutinised to high heaven. Don't fix what is not broken

I agree! I just can't see the need to be flying over roads and above 500 feet. This is crazy stuff! Once we go over 500 feet we may as well be an Astronaught. I didn't join the AUF to be a bloody Astronaught. And if we are going to cross the roads, you may as well call me a bloody airline pilot. Next they will want me to read a map and use a compass. And they will want to fly fast... I mean more than 55 knots. That is crazy, although it will stop all those birds from crashing into the back of my aircraft.

 

I wish they would just leave me alone and I could live in the dark ages with my black and white TV and I can wash my clothes on a rock down by the creek.

 

Seriously though, why are you boys so threatened. You can still fly rag and tube till your heart is content. It is not mandatory that you have to fly a 760kg aircraft.

 

BLA you seem like a really good guy to me and I would hate to see anyone leave RAAus but you do have a HGFA option where you would be king of the hill.

 

 

[BLA82]

BLA you seem like a really good guy to me and I would hate to see anyone leave RAAus but you do have a HGFA option where you would be king of the hill.

In the interest of maturity I will leave that comment alone but as I have said you can fly heavier aircaft now GO GET A PPL...

 

It is always a monority that ruins a good set of rules. You don't understand how lucky we are in Australia compared to other countries.

 

 

[Guest Cloudsuck]

In the interest of maturity I will leave that comment alone but as I have said you can fly heavier aircaft now GO GET A PPL...It is always a monority that ruins a good set of rules. You don't understand how lucky we are in Australia compared to other countries.

BLA sorry if that comment offended you, it was not meant to. Just pointing out that if I want to go heavier I can go the CASA road and get a PPL (already have one but that's not the point) and if you are not happy and want to stay very light, you have the HGFA option. I think that the majority want the changes in the case. A poll on this very forum was indicative of that.

 

 

[BLA82]

Well point taken but if CASA has the ppl option, RA-AUS has the weight limit and the HGFA hs it's option then why change. We will just end up paying more for others options that we don't want. It will just be another case of the little guy getting pushed out due to expenses

 

 

[eyecast]

Did anything come out of Narromine to support the much discussed AC Wt increase