About having an ASIC Card Poll?

[Admin]

Hi All

 

Just trying ascertain, irrespective on what you may think about the ASIC card, with the type of flying you do whether you are finding that you have really needed (by law) to have an ASIC card?

 

For example I am trying to find out if I should get one. At Port Mac I do need one by law but so far I have always been in the company of someone that has one so I personally at the moment I would have to select:

 

2. I don't have one and found I have really needed it (by law)

 

BUT, I am questioning whether I will really need one when (if) I leave Port Mac and return to Melb.

 

 

[Admin]

Wow, that is really interesting so far - as I post this it is basically 50/50 on whether you have one or not

 

 

[Student Pilot]

Depends how far you want to go Ian. Some of the regional airfields are SS like with their enforcement of security to the letter of the regs.

 

It would help at some Airfields.

 

 

[peter]

I have one but personally believe it does nothing for safety and is an expensive waste of time.

 

Passing through Mt Gambier earlier in the year i had just refuelled and was looking for the toilets, saw two guys working on a light(VHrego) plane in a hangar so wandered over to have a "chat",-- the aerodrome was so quiet you could have fired a canon on the tarmac and not hurt anyone -- and the response I got came in a most unfriendly tone "have you got an ASIC card", I pulled it out and then had to endure a 2 minute lecture on how I should have hadit on display!!! I was amazed and greatly disappointed, this is the only time I have not been made welcome at a country airport.

 

made me wonder if this was a sign of times to come.

 

I still don't display the card believing it is a political stunt, nothing more nothing less.

 

I wish the privateflying community had more votes - it is the only thing our politicians seem to listen to.

 

Peter

 

 

[Student Pilot]

I agree Peter it hasn't made it any safer. You can still get on a regional airliner WITHOUT checks, yet to fly your own Aircraft you have to jump through all the hoops. The ASIC has achieved nothing but to further the bloating of the security bureaucracy.

 

Back to the subject of Ian getting one, if you want to travel round (GAAP's, CTAF'R's and many regional "secure" (that means a pool fence for 100 metres either side of the old building that people get onto the apron) airfields then you require an ASIC. You could argue the point about being RAA but unless you want to spend all your time arguing with a jumped up pedantic council or CASA worker who thinks he's making the Nation a safer place then it's much easier to just get an ASIC.

 

There are all sorts of stories (true or not) about people getting stuck/fined/abused for not displaying ASIC's. The attacks on New York haven't changed Aviation, it's the stupid ineffective measures taken since by Governments.

 

 

[Ben Longden]

Goose stepping away, and answering questions with "Jahwol, mein furher" with a click of the heels and a snappy little salute can get the point across.

 

Or

 

You could just point out to these guys how bloody rude they are, and then make note of any organisation they work for and say people dont do business with rude arrogant people.

 

The next question is; Anyone from Mt Gambier on this forum, and care to explain?

 

Ben

 

 

[Geoff]

If you fly into Mount Isa you can get out the GA gate but with out a ASIC card you can't get in again. The numbers were not in the book.

 

 

[Guest bateo]

I agree that the damn things cause more bad then good, especially when working on or cleaning your aircraft on airside, seems to get caught in every little part..

 

Recently I had the duty of refuelling a commercial aircraft and was approached (and lectured) by 2 ground crew members on how I was a threat to the aircraft and airport because I hadnt displayed my ASIC properly, Although my ASIC was tucked in under my jumper as I didnt want it flapping around my neck while the turbine engines were running, I was told to display it correctly or leave the duty of filling the aircraft and cop a fine for breaching the rules.

 

I also know of an unlucky pilot who was fined $500 in Bathurst earlier in the year for not wearing an ASIC card, unfortunate for the pilot, he hadnt applied for an ASIC as he didnt think it was a compulsory requirement being from out west.

 

If you are contemplating to purchase and apply for an ASIC (I know its ridiculus amount of money), I would strongly suggest it, As it would stop un-polite people lecturing you about how your a threat to the airport and will stop youcopping a minimum of a $500 fine on the chin for not wearing a piece of bloody plastic around your neck with your mug shot on it informing random ''authorities'' that you dont plan on organising or being involved ina terrorist attack anytime soon.

 

The funny thing is though, as much as General ground crew, pilots or even airfield officers are concerned, they can only lecture you, they have no authority to give you a fine.. So for those un-polite people who ruin your day while your trying to be friendly, just give them the nod and walk away... They cannot do anything about the matter

 

 

[Student Pilot]

The funny thing is though, as much as General ground crew, pilots or even airfield officers are concerned, they can only lecture you, they have no authority to give you a fine.. So for those un-polite people who ruin your day while your trying to be friendly, just give them the nod and walk away... They cannot do anything about the matter

The council staff can and will issue infringement notices, the incentive is they (the council) keep the bulk of the fine. Most council groundstaff have been trained and have the paperwork to fine you.

 

 

[Geoff]

Bugger the nod they get the ;) only with the other digit.

 

 

[Guest bateo]

haha Geoff, I was going to say that.. Well I was trying to say that the polite way haha..

 

Some people let the 'authority' go to their heads unfortunately...

 

 

[Admin]

Well those results so far are interesting - I would have thought that with all the hoohar about the ASIC card when it came in that No 3 "I have one but found I don't really need it (by law)" would have been higher. So it seems that using these figures if you obey the law that it is 50/50 whether we as recreational pilots really need one or not:confused:

 

 

[Guest Fred Bear]

I will have to get one one of these days. I have been meaning to for a while although I do believe that they are a waste of time and just another way for the govt. to score some extra cash. How is a piece of plastic going to stop a terrorist? It simply will not. I only want an ASIC so I can go to Wollongong Airport for a cold drink. Maybe Ian we need another emoticon with the middle finger...

 

 

[Ben Longden]

A side thought... what would these Asic-nazis do if you started to talk at them in Arabic?

 

And then start waving your arms..... ;)

 

Then on a serious thought, is it kosher to wear the asic as a badge, pinned to your shirt instead of dangling and tangling? It would therefore be even more plainly bloody visible.

 

I ask this because in my volunteer gigs with the ambos. I pin the badge to my overalls. Likewise in Theatre, I wear it IN my pocket.. dont want any B&G on it..

 

Ben

 

 

[Yenn]

I need mine to get fuel at Gladstone. To buy it in a drum from a depot in town is more expensive than the cost of the ASIC.

 

I am sure it will do nothing for security as a terrorist could make his own card very easily.

 

What really amazes me is the requirement for me to advise them if I am convicted of a crime which could make me a security risk. I would have thought that they would be linked by computer to all court records and would know immediately. I also cannot see why the ASIC has to be renewed every 2 years entailing a security check. Seems to me that once you get an ASIC you have open slather to commit any terrorist act you care to think of.

 

 

[Ben Longden]

Just an add-on to my previous thought.

 

While going through CASA's nine page application form for the card, I found this on P8.

 

 

So, you can wear it without a lanyard... just so long as its visible.

 

Ben

 

 

[Guest Fred Bear]

Sad sad sad what the world has come to because of a few morons here and there...

 

 

[Mick]

We keep our aircraft @ Maryborough Qld.

 

We have suffered due the introduction of this token effort of security. Our clubhouse is airside fronting onto the GA apron ( where else should an AEROCLUB clubhouse be??? ). Hence without an ASIC you cannot get within 50m of the clubhouse.This makes it very difficult for new & interested people to access the clubhouse & club members.

 

Complements of $800,000.00 of taxpayers money, we have security fencing surrounding the entire aerodrome & electric gates that require a swipe card to open.

 

Worst of all is that less than a month after the fences were complete, the gates activated & swipe cards issued, our RPT flights ceased to operate.

 

Of course the local council in control of this is refusing to deactivate the gates or any of the other security measures.

 

We are just really confused as to what exactly these security systems are supposed to be protecting

 

 

[Ben Longden]

Strange but true...

 

At Echuca, the ambos were refused access to a key to get airside by the local council.. which meant a bit of an issue when they needed to load a critical care patient into the waiting King Air.

 

So, the bloke in charge of the ambo station got the OK from his boss to purchase a set of bolt cutters for each ambo truck in the fleet.

 

When they needed to gain access to the airstrip to load a paitient into the king air - now, remember this needs to be done preferably with the ambulance, a big GM next to the aircraft, so the patient movement is minimised.

 

You guessed it, each time the Air Ambulance arrived, out came the bolt cutters..

 

And then a radio call to the Ambo dispatcher to notify the police wot they just did.

 

It took about a year before the council got its act together... and Echuca is NOT a secure airport.. well in terms of needing ASICs anyway.

 

Ben

 

 

[freddy]

Hello out there,

 

Went to a meeting a while ago with a research fellow to give CASA feedback on the ASIC. This fellows ears were burning red hot. I hope the message got back to CASA and were not diluted by this researcher, even though he tried to moderate our comments at the time we left him in no doubt of the exact wording he should use.

 

During this I was researching the rules and regs and found a little snippet of information that could be useful to use against the SS types.

 

They should not only have an ASIC but also a security identification. It is an offence for them not to produce it to you when you request it.

 

Any threats could be negated if they don't show you theirs.

 

Subregulation 5.01(2) operates to require an aviation security inspector to show their identity card to an aviation industry participant (including a person apparently representing an aviation industry participant) if the participant (or their apparent representative) asks the inspector to show the card. An aviation security inspector who does not show their security card when requested by an aviation industry participant (or their apparent representative) may be subject to a penalty of up to 5 penalty units.

 

Subregulation 5.01(3) requires a person who ceases to be an aviation security inspector to return his or her identity card to the Secretary within 7 days of him or her ceasing to be an authorised officer. A person who does not return the card within the required 7 days may be subject to a penalty of up to 5 penalty units.

 

Subregulation 5.01(4) requires an aviation security inspector to show his or her identity card before exercising any power in relation to a person under these Regulations. For example, an aviation security inspector can issue infringement notices under Part 7 of the Regulations. Before issuing an infringement notice an inspector is required to show his or her identity card to the person that they are issuing the notice to. However the requirement to show an identity card does not apply when an inspector is granting an extension of time to pay a penalty (regulation 7.08).

 

Regulation 3.10 Other cards not to be used as ASICs or VICs

 

This regulation prohibits a person from intentionally using an identity card, or another type of card, to be in a secure area if he or she knows or believes that the card is not a valid ASIC or VIC. A person who has an identity card (other than an ASIC or a VIC) and uses that card to access their work place, for example, cannot intentionally use that card as an alternative to an ASIC or VIC in the secure area.

 

Contravention attracts a maximum penalty of 10 penalty units. This regulation does not apply to a person who is not required to properly display a valid ASIC in the secure area.

 

Just some light reading. For full details go to

 

AVIATION TRANSPORT SECURITY REGULATIONS 2005 (SLI NO 18 OF 2005)

 

 

[Guest Fred Bear]

You show me your card I'll show you mine:laugh:

 

 

[Ben Longden]

Cop That!!!

 

Well done. A copy has been printed up and now kept in my nav bag..

 

Ben

 

 

[wanabigaplane]

If you place you ASIC card in the magnetic lock mechanism when you exit the apron, into the terminal for a leak after your flight, you will be able to get back onto the apron without having to call security!

 

 

[Student Pilot]

If you place you ASIC card in the magnetic lock mechanism when you exit the apron' date=' into the terminal for a leak after your flight, you will be able to get back onto the apron without having to call security! [/quote'] Most places don't have the swipe thing, some places you have to call security anyway, some have number entry with numbers on show inside others you have to call to get the number and be escorted to your Aircraft. No consistancy or standards, just a mess.

[PaulN]

If you place you ASIC card in the magnetic lock mechanism when you exit the apron' date=' into the terminal for a leak after your flight, you will be able to get back onto the apron without having to call security! [/quote'] Thanks for the tip Jack ... a big relief.