RAA in CTA.

[skybum]

Yeh, the rules do say unless cancelled or revoked, however to exercise the privelage you need an AFR and a class2 medical every two years or have a type endorsment or rating AND have the minimum hours in the last ninety days to carry passengers....something about that bit of red plastics so you can land again.....otherwise you will be up all day.

 

 

[Guest Cloudsuck]

Yeh, the rules do say unless cancelled or revoked, however to exercise the privelage you need an AFR and a class2 medical every two years or have a type endorsment or rating AND have the minimum hours in the last ninety days to carry passengers....something about that bit of red plastics so you can land again.....otherwise you will be up all day.

Yeah that is what I was getting at. When I do my BFR, they like to make me go into a CTR but if I didn't, they couldn't take my endorsement off me. As far as I know, you can't fail a BFR.

 

 

[djpacro]

CASA CAAP [/url]on the subject).

[hihosland]

Cloudsuck did say

 

>>What do you mean by renewing your PPL. A PPL is for life, no renewal required.>>

 

True

 

but to exercise the privelidges of that PPl you need to satisfactorily complete a BFR and that was what I was booking.

 

the world ( and especially these fora) would be very dull if not for the contribution of the ever alert pedant or two.

 

cheers

 

Davidh

 

 

[Guest Qwerty]

What has a pedant got to do with it. I don't care who likes feet...each to their own I say!!

 

 

[turboplanner]

What has a pedant got to do with it. I don't care who likes feet...each to their own I say!!

Don't worry Qwerty, we can't have them loose in the community so he's being dealt with by NES, although he is putting up a fight.

 

 

[Guest Qwerty]

Oops

 

Matt, thanks for your post number 97. and Cloudsuck for post 101. As result I have discovered that I have been flying into all sorts of places CTA and CTR zones without the proper endorsements. The CFI that gave me my licence didn't do it for some reason.

 

I now have a date for this Saturday with the Aero Club's new CFI to get CTA and CTR endorsments.

 

Which reminds me, does anyone have a 2.5" microair transponder in their aircraft that they don't need, particularly as the RAAus CTA endorsments are now out the window.

 

Cheers, Qwerty

 

 

[Spriteah]

Qwerty,

 

Good on you for being so honest in this forum.

 

You just gained some respect in my little world.

 

Jim

 

 

[Guest Cloudsuck]

CASA CAAP [/url]on the subject).

No worries for me, no stamp in the book, no pay the instructor....

 

I do like an instructor who says at the start of a BFR, "What have you been doing and what do you want to do?" I always ask for some CTA/CTR work.

 

 

[icebob]

I wonder if this is the feeling of the owners of the 451 aircraft which haven't renewed their registraion in the last 18 months.John

Hi john,

 

I am one of those my rego went in to CASA Yesterday. Not sure about the X-Air yet, just wait and see I guess.

 

I am booked in for my class 2 medical tomorrow and AFT in 2 weeks at Bankstown, just to cover all bases and a refreasher. My last time into controlled airspace was nearly 20 years ago, time flys when you are having fun - where did the years go???

 

Bob.

 

 

[turboplanner]

Prominent pprune poster, and from his posts, anti RAA campaigner, VH XXX (sample posts below from pprune thread Ra Aust Not Goming To A Cta Near You) appears to have stopped posting last Tuesday August 4, following a discussion over the 2009 Natfly.

 

The last thing we need is rubbish like the following dragging us down.

 

“Nah, leave it here, rub their faces in it. They are already whinging at that other site, will closely follow. That's what they do over there, whinge and moan, spread rumours, defame others and ban anyone with a brain! They are probably all upset because it's already in the Ops manual.

 

Back to topic. One of the main premises was that it would increase safety by not forcing RAA transit over tiger country and with CTA privelages they could transit safely. A pretty loose argument if you ask me.”

 

And

 

“At least the circuit won't be full of RAA now after the rejection on CTA today!”

 

And

 

“I dropped in there this year. There were raa pilots doing circuits and flying over town when vis was less than 1km. All trumped by cirrus taking off into thunderstorm though.”

 

 

[Guest Brett Campany]

I've learnt to just ignore 95% of the dribble that's on Pprune because most of those guys have their heads so far up their back sides that all they do is talk the preverbal!

 

 

[slartibartfast]

Not sure what your point is Turbs. There will always be people like that. Is your point that they shouldn't have been given the ammunition (alleged circuits by RAA in 1k vis)? I'd agree that in an ideal world, all RAA attendees at Narromine should be perfect, but that's never going to happen. There are those who make bad decisions (all of us at least once), and those who wilfully disobey rules on both sides of "the fence that shouldn't exist".

 

I note he said that the other bad stuff was trumped by the Cirrus (which can't be RAA registered).

 

Do you think he was talking about this site? Where all we do is whinge and moan, spread rumours, defame others and ban anyone with a brain.

 

It takes a lot to get banned from here. Having a brain doesn't come into it. There's a couple of people still here with a brain, so nyah, nyah, nyah to that argument (best I could come up with - being brainless and all).

 

I also don't recall much whinging going on here.

 

I'm with Brett. I ignore 95% of what goes on on pprune - I rarely even visit and don't have a login.

 

 

[turboplanner]

Maybe I'm over sensitive Slarti

 

 

[Guest basscheffers]

Part of his beef with Cirrus is likely that the guy flying it runs a rather succesfull RA-Aus school too. So it was an RA-Aus pilot doing it then, wasn't it?

 

I'd also like to know who here called GA "the dark side", you have ruined it for us all!

 

 

[Guest Qwerty]

My considered opinion on the RAAus - GA thing is that it is a pitty that there is any them and us attitude at all from either side. We are in a precarious situation with the brain dead media (and thats all of them folks) always at the ready with; The aircraft SLAMMED into... and the aircraft PLUMMETED into... and the aircraft DIVED into... and bla bla bla. The last thing we need is for pilots from either GA, RAAus, HGFA or anywhere slagging off another section of aviation just because they have poor self esteem or insecurity issues or because thay have a small penis....have i missed any other reasons ........oh yeah small brains.

 

OK, now I am only slagging off against those who slag off other pilots....Is this clear.

 

 

 

[j3pipercub]

Turbo, the funny thing about what you say about XXX is I'm pretty sure he's RAA ticketed...happy to be corrected though.

 

Qwerty, I agree with some of your post, but unfortunately there will always be an us and them mentality, human nature unfortunately.

 

Cmon guys, not all bad, its just a little more expense if you really wanted to go through CTA, no-body has banned you, you just gotta get your PPL that's all...

 

 

[Guest Qwerty]

So I guess that the world is divided into two types of people. Those that divide the world into two types of people and those that don't.

 

 

[turboplanner]

Qwerty, I think the trash talk just does both industries harm. When you step in dog dung some of it always sticks to your feet.

 

J3, I understand that it looks this way on the surface, but when you really dig down there are other costs and nuisance factors. I think its fixable, just not thought out well enough yet.

 

 

[Guest Qwerty]

The point that I was attempting to put forward (without sounding like a patrenalistic:csm:) was that there is a bigger picture here. Our interest is vulnerable to the media representing aviation as Dangerous, greenhouse unfriendly, the preserve of the rich and wastful, etc., and that bikkering like children is.....well.....childish. particularly when the shall we call them stirrers, are also interested in aviation and I am willing to bet also were attracted for the same reasons that attracted most other pilots.

 

I applogise if my previous expression was a bit blunt but I am feeling a bit blunt about this topic.

 

 

[turboplanner]

Sorry Qwerty, I wasn't aiming at your comments, you have every right to be annoyed at the unnecessary attacks on RA

 

 

[slartibartfast]

I spoke to Lee Ungermann about this subject tonight, and he said it was OK to pass on the following information. It was stated early in this thread that the major factor behind John McCormick's suddenly negative view of the proposal to allow a CTA endorsement for RAA pilots was a result of some horrible things he viewed at Narromine.

 

Lee states that this is not true, and that John wasn't even at Narromine.

 

While there are a number of reasons behind the decision (and RAAus are working hard on these), one of the major factors was indeed the action of some RAAus pilots. There were a number of CTA incursions and subsequent "please explains" from CASA at a particularly bad time in the process. The CTA endorsement is not dead, but it's recovery and release from intensive care would be greatly aided by all RAAus pilots striving to do the right thing. Our safety record is looking fantastic now. Our compliance record should now follow.

 

Cheers,

 

Ross

 

PS - I was at Narromine for 3 days and I only saw one dodgy bit of airmanship - and that was more bad decision making than willful disregard for rules.

 

Well - 2 if you count the Cirrus taking off into the storm, but I think it was BrentC who explained the decision process there, and it wasn't all bad.

 

There was some idiot eating breakfast off his engine cowling, but that was more poor planning.

 

 

[Guest basscheffers]

Did he mention what kind of incursions? People who took the liberty to break the rules, or careless navigating?

 

 

[slartibartfast]

I can't reliably recollect, but my impression was that it was mainly deliberate breaches.

 

 

[turboplanner]

Slarti, if that is correct I will be the first to publicly apologise to the RAA Board and employees.

 

If none of the incidents happened then there would be nothing for the RAA to take action about.

 

However, I'm a little bemused because there were multiple reports of multiple incidents on this site, and external to RAA, some of them confessions.

 

Were all of those people making up stories?