Getting your LAME level 2

[dazza 38]

You must have been lucky to get some training for fabric and timber with the raaf, they guys now don't. What types did you score experience on?

HI mate, at the time we still had winjeels as forward aircraft control, (or they were being phased out at the time) we used the winjeel as a basic aircraft training aid and ARDU still had a DC 3. We used the mirage and its manuals for the advanced training aid.The instructors didnt know where we were going to be posted,ie-aircraft we were going to work on. so they covered all the bases. But remember it was only basic theory /inspection the fabric bit. Our sister engine fitter course apparently was one of the last courses to be trained on the lycomming piston engines(could be wrong here).We spend only one day covering the basics on engines,as it wasnt apart of the airframe trade. They still learned about pratt and wittney radials-ie- What i have written happened twenty years ago so my memory might not be the best.As i have said before, weather someone is a LAME, or military trained or a level 2. YOU NEVER KNOW EVERTHING, AND YOU NEVER STOP LEARNING. IF YOU DONT KNOW SOMETHING, DONT BULLXXXX TO SOMEONE, ESPECIALLY IF THEY ARE PAYING YOU GOOD MONEY FOR YOUR ADVICE. AS THE CASE WITH THE UNFORTUNATE GUY WITH THE DRIFTER.YOU WILL BE FOUND OUT. BE HONEST AND TELL THE UNSUSPECTING PERSON THAT YOU ARE NOT SURE ABOUT A PERTICULAR AIRCRAFT OR ENGINE ETC. THANKS GUYS PS- SORRY ABOUT THE SPELLING, IVE HAD A FEW

 

 

[dazza 38]

I forgot to mention the training i received on choppers was the bell 47, army souix, i dont know why we received the training,and it was basic, considering we didnt have any in service, but i guess it helped when we did depot level maintence on the blackhawk component as mention above. As i said to the maj, i admit it i dont know anything about 2 strokes, and not much more about 4 strokes. But i know i would not give advice or anything to a unsuspecting person.i would just tell them i dont know. Now jet engines are different, are there any ultralights Commimg out with jet engines ha ha. See you guys

 

 

[dazza 38]

Just for people who think im on drugs, HA HA ,im not i know that the primary structure of winjeels and dakotas are metal. The fabric is used on some of the flight controls.Hence the BASIC theory and inspection training Cheers ps-as for composites the hornet entered just entered service a couple of years earlier , ie- carbon fibre -so i guess they decided to teach us about composites. I GUESS THEY DIDNT WANT ANYONE ELSE TO DROP A SCREW DRIVE ON THE HORIZONTAL STABILIZER AND PENETRATE THE SKIN. (TRUE STORY)

 

 

[Thruster87]

Nit picking,dear,o'dear.Again arrogance and big ego's;absolutly no room in aviation for such people. You get good doctors and bad doctors; good lame's and bad lame's. By the way,if one has little knowledge of the underlying structure that they are to about to re-sheet, then one should remove him/herself from the task at hand and allow an experienced,capable person to do the job. Also, lames sign off; certifying is another matter all together. It's about safety, responsibility, and a very high standards of workmanship;these are flying machines NOT motor cars. No room for damn ego's.cheers.

You keep missing the point just because you are the expert on wing repairs does not mean you in GA terms can certify the work you have done. A LAME has to do it.Why is it so?Cheers

 

 

[dazza 38]

Thanks Dazza. That's what I thought. So there are no courses run or anything. For me I want a course like introduction to aviation maintenance to get some understanding on it all. Especially for people like me who spend all day looking at a computer screen and only fly on weekends.

 

TBH I think a lot of pilots would appreciate courses like this.

Hi shags, this thread, you started, has been hijacked abit, probably mainly from me, i un-expectedly, opened up a can of worms, so to speak, like, ive done this, he said that,hes done this etc. It hasnt realy help you with your inital question.(Although it has been entertaining). I dont personally know if there is any courses as in Indroduction into aviation maintenance, apart from the RAA L1 courses i have already mentioned. You might be able to try Brisbane based Australian aviation?. If you are down the coast you might be able to check out Moth Care at murwillumba. I spend a couple of hours their a couple of years ago, observing the guys re-fabric a moth.They are nice guys, but they are also very busy, if you do see them just remember not to ask to many questions or get in their way, as they are working . They had no problem with me standing back and watching them.(and keeping out of their way). It was a good experience Ring them first though

 

 

[foxworker]

I am tiring of this, I feel it's getting a little un-professional. So, I'm going to sign off after these comments. Point 1., Lame's DO NOT CERTIFY WORK, they sign off work performed by the technician eg.Ame. Certification is a different issue involving regulations and a whole heap of legal stuff; 'twas a frustratingly long painful experience for the owners of the Skyfox company at the time. Point 2., I have not and will not sign off ANY ga aircraft;I do not have the legal authority.However, I do have authority to sign off Ra-Aus registered Skyfox wing/s, with-out a Lame. I am able to legally repair, restore and build new Skyfox wings G.A. or Ra-Aus, in a friends casa approved workshop which also has APMA.Any work there is signed out under his approval, using his approval and APMA.I definately do not want to see any Lame or L2 sign off ANYTHING unless they are highly competant in all aspects of the task at hand, particularly with the type of structure Skyfox wings are.

 

Point 3., It is my opinion,and I believe that of Ra-Aus,that holders of pilot certificates must complete a human factors course to maintain there flying privilages, I say extend that to all aviation personel who are involved in any management role,supervisory role,or training role. It would benefit the aviation industry enormously and would undoubtably increase safety,communications and importantly for those operations that seem to be always behind the 8 ball, it can dramatically increase productivity ,efficiency and most importantly, worker moral. If a Lame/ame, L1,2 or 3, manager,supervisor,leading hand, or anyone involved in the aviation industry, in a leadership role feels that they no longer need to listen to another (eg. manager to an insubordinate),then that individual should relieve themselves of their position and join the motor body building industry where that attitude appears to be rife,(my apologies to the people who are the backbone of such companies,the shop floor workers). Safety conscious, maturity, responsibility, accountability, ability to listen well, and common sense, all great attrbutes for anyone interested in an aviation career. Arrogance, mediocracy, holier than thou attitude, poor listening skills, poor communication skills, poor hand skills; all negative attributes, all damaging and destructive to the aviation industry.

 

Shags, if you're serious, step one would be to contact the admin. at Aviation Australia, Brisbane, have a chat about the options on offer, and make a decision. Mechanical, avionics or structural. Cert.4 in aeroskills; will take approx. 9 months fulltime, austudy approved. Do NOT believe everything you are told about the great money you can earn, it is not particularly highly paid work, (unless you're a lame). It is however a fascinating industry to be involved in never the less. bye.

 

 

[Thruster87]

I am tiring of this, I feel it's getting a little un-professional. So, I'm going to sign off after these comments. Point 1., Lame's DO NOT CERTIFY WORK, they sign off work performed by the technician eg.Ame. Certification is a different issue involving regulations and a whole heap of legal stuff; 'twas a frustratingly long painful experience for the owners of the Skyfox company at the time. Point 2., I have not and will not sign off ANY ga aircraft;I do not have the legal authority.However, I do have authority to sign off Ra-Aus registered Skyfox wing/s, with-out a Lame. I am able to legally repair, restore and build new Skyfox wings G.A. or Ra-Aus, in a friends casa approved workshop which also has APMA.Any work there is signed out under his approval, using his approval and APMA.I definately do not want to see any Lame or L2 sign off ANYTHING unless they are highly competant in all aspects of the task at hand, particularly with the type of structure Skyfox wings are.Point 3., It is my opinion,and I believe that of Ra-Aus,that holders of pilot certificates must complete a human factors course to maintain there flying privilages, I say extend that to all aviation personel who are involved in any management role,supervisory role,or training role. It would benefit the aviation industry enormously and would undoubtably increase safety,communications and importantly for those operations that seem to be always behind the 8 ball, it can dramatically increase productivity ,efficiency and most importantly, worker moral. If a Lame/ame, L1,2 or 3, manager,supervisor,leading hand, or anyone involved in the aviation industry, in a leadership role feels that they no longer need to listen to another (eg. manager to an insubordinate),then that individual should relieve themselves of their position and join the motor body building industry where that attitude appears to be rife,(my apologies to the people who are the backbone of such companies,the shop floor workers). Safety conscious, maturity, responsibility, accountability, ability to listen well, and common sense, all great attrbutes for anyone interested in an aviation career. Arrogance, mediocracy, holier than thou attitude, poor listening skills, poor communication skills, poor hand skills; all negative attributes, all damaging and destructive to the aviation industry.

Shags, if you're serious, step one would be to contact the admin. at Aviation Australia, Brisbane, have a chat about the options on offer, and make a decision. Mechanical, avionics or structural. Cert.4 in aeroskills; will take approx. 9 months fulltime, austudy approved. Do NOT believe everything you are told about the great money you can earn, it is not particularly highly paid work, (unless you're a lame). It is however a fascinating industry to be involved in never the less. bye.

CertificationRegulation 42ZE requires that a person who carries out

maintenance on an aircraft must ensure that completion of

 

the maintenance is certified in accordance with an approved

 

system of certification or the CASA system of certification

 

(Schedule 6 of the CARs) as applicable.

 

Separate certifications relating to each inspection shall be

 

made in the appropriate sections of the aircraft log books

 

pursuant to the pertinent CARs.ANNEX B

 

CERTIFY ING ON TH E MAINTENANCE RELEASE (MR)

 

Certifying on the Maintenance Release is not a unique experience.

 

With the exception of periodic maintenance, most maintenance is

 

certified on either work sheets (system of certification) or on the

 

Maintenance Release.

 

 

[Yenn]

Dead right about no being a high paid job. The average motor mechanic demands a higher rate of pay than a LAME and doesn't have anything like the same responsibility.

 

 

[shags_j]

Thanks for that guys. Like i said it's actually not me, I'm a full time senior accountant with a family on the way (getting married next year) so not really in the position for a career change. My mate however is 22 and wondering what he should do and thought this would be an option (and then I can get him to build my kit plane with me ;) )

 

Cheers again,

 

Shags