Thruster87 Posted November 4, 2009 Posted November 4, 2009 Came across this Jabiru Flywheel Bolts Important Notice Contributed by Anton Lawrence Over the last couple of years there has been an increasing awareness of a problem with the flywheel retaining bolts in the Jabiru 2200 and 3300 engine. The problem is simple enough to identify, the bolts are breaking and have caused in-flight engine failure. The cause has been much harder to identify and has been blamed on loose prop and prop extension bolts. There can be no question that loose bolts in this area will transfer harmonic vibrations down the crank and precipitate movement of the flywheel parts. Examination of the timing gear on engines with broken bolts has identified severe fretting of the gear against the end of the crank, this cyclic movement is the reason the bolts are breaking. The retaining bolts are 5/16th socket cap screws property class 12.9, although some of these are threaded full length, which wouldn’t normally be considered best practice, all the bolts are fracturing on the shear line. 12.9 bolts have an ultimate tensile strength of 1220 MPa and yield strength of 1100 MPa, it is normal to tighten these to within 90% of yield; this is to ensure proper clamp pressure of the parts. This would cause the Jabiru bolts to elongate by about 5 thou and is the mechanism by which clamp pressure is maintained. A company in Hamilton, Asseco has analysed this joint and come up with a torque figure of 41 Nm for these bolts with lubricated threads and washer face. I have used the formula from MIL-HDBK-60 and come up with a figure of 43 Nm using the same lubrication and 56 Nm with no lubrication. The Jabiru manual states a figure of 24 Nm for these bolts with out lubrication, it is my belief that this where the problem partly lies. (Jabiru apparently now recommend 32 Nm but this is still almost ½ the maximum preload the bolts can take.) Contributed by Anton Lawrence The CAA is working on an AD for these engines which will most likely require the bolts to be replaced every 100hrs. It is very important that as part of the replacement procedure the timing gear is removed and inspected, if there is any sign of fretting the part should be replaced and equally important is that the bolts are replaced irrespective of their appearance. Jabiru are now fitting three 1/4 inch dowels into the end of the crank in an attempt to prevent this fretting, any new gear will have holes for these dowels pre drilled. The fitting of the dowels into the crank is a very precise job and should not be attempted by anyone other than a qualified fitter, engineer or toolmaker. Asseco is one company which has already completed ten of these dowel fitting operations, I don’t want this article to appear to be advert for one company or an other, so if you want their contact details you can contact me directly and I will pass them on to you. © Jabiru In conclusion, if you have an unmodified Jabiru engine of either type in any aircraft type you should immediately have the flywheel bolts and timing gear inspected, if all looks OK you should replace the bolts (reminder, 12.9 bolts should never be reused) and tighten them to between 41Nm to 43Nm using molybdenum grease as a lubricant in the threads and under the head, don’t get any grease on the bearing surfaces. If you use Loctite 620 in the threads and grease under the head you should tighten to 46Nm, Loctite 620 and no grease tighten to 53Nm. If you are going to tighten these bolts to the above figures it is vital the bolt has a ½”diameter minimum hardened washer under the head, if not the bolt will embed into the alloy parts and preload will be lost. Check the prop bolts and prop extension bolts for correct tightening and also check to ensure the extension is running true and the tracking is within 3mm, on some aircraft these have been found to be well off centre. If you have 10mm prop flange extension cap screws installed with Loctite 620, you can take them to 89Nm to reach 90% of yield. I have also checked the torque for the Crankshaft Prop Flange Cap Screws as these have also been found slightly loose, Jabiru recommends 40Nm but these bolts are capable of taking 83Nm. If all these bolts are tightened correctly and all the parts are running true it should be possible to eliminate the problem of broken bolts. When tightening bolts you should tighten to halve the required amount following the tightening sequence, leave for an hour (no longer if using Loctite 620) to allow for local relaxation and then complete the tightening in one movement so as not to get stuck with static friction at a lower level, I have calculated the turn of the nut (5/16 cap screw) from snug tight to 43Nm be only 48deg so take care. © Loctite Some notes on Loctite : Jabiru has apparently changed their recommendation of Loctite 262 to 620 for the above parts. 620 is not specified as a thread lock product but Loctite assure me it is good for the job as it has a longer time before cure and higher temperature capabilities, you can download all the data sheets from http://www.loctite.co.nz. Unfortunately you won’t find the friction coefficients or nut factors on these sheets, I have had to dig deeper to get these directly from Loctite. Anton Lawrence, RAANZ Tech Officer
Thruster87 Posted November 4, 2009 Author Posted November 4, 2009 Anyone know a place to buy Loctite 620? Blackwoods lists it as a 50ml x 10 pack or 250ml bottle.Maybe Ian could buy the 10 pack and sell them one at a time and make a little profit CheersT87
jetboy Posted November 4, 2009 Posted November 4, 2009 You only need the 620 Loctite if you did the SB (3 years ago) and had a problem Ive not heard of a single instance of repeat problems since this was made a repetitive 50 hour AD in NZ (and if there was one, show me the evidence..... this is a mandatory report item....) when the torques were revised. Its a fine article, but posting it here and on Matronics without changing the title to reflect its old news is misleading because this only applies to old engines (like mine) Ralph
Thruster87 Posted November 4, 2009 Author Posted November 4, 2009 You only need the 620 Loctite if you did the SB (3 years ago) and had a problem Ive not heard of a single instance of repeat problems since this was made a repetitive 50 hour AD in NZ (and if there was one, show me the evidence..... this is a mandatory report item....) when the torques were revised.Its a fine article, but posting it here and on Matronics without changing the title to reflect its old news is misleading because this only applies to old engines (like mine) Ralph There are still engines out their like mine that were made years ago but were stored for future use as kits were completed years later.Any builder/maintainer worth his salt should do his own research on his particular engine to make sure all mods/updates have been done.This article was meant to enlighten those who may not have been aware of these earlier problems.Old news can be of use to new builders/maintainers and remind others to check their engines are OK. Misleading !!! I don't think so, Educating yes Cheers T87
Captain Posted November 4, 2009 Posted November 4, 2009 G'day 87 I took your initial post very seriously as I have a 2 year old 3300 engine and that article, if correct and genuine, would have immediately initiated a substantial investigation to implement it. And having no way to prove that it isn't some form of internet hoax, I have referred it to Jabiru to tell me what I should do in my particular case. If it is an official RAANZ document I am surprsed that it does not mention specific engine numbers to reflect to numerous changes and upgrades that have fed thru on Jabiru engines in this area over the years, as indeed does the flywheel bolt papers on the Jabiru website. For the RAANZ to recommend such higher torque settings than used by the manufacturer doesn't look kosher to me, and I am amazed that they would shoulder that risk if it is not approved by the engine maker. I'll be interested to hear what the manufacturer has to say as I fear that the article you have posted may encourage some owners to go off half cocked ....... or double torqued.
GraemeK Posted November 4, 2009 Posted November 4, 2009 I think this is the relevant Jabiru AD, dated October 2006.
Thruster87 Posted November 4, 2009 Author Posted November 4, 2009 G'day 87I took your initial post very seriously as I have a 2 year old 3300 engine and that article, if correct and genuine, would have immediately initiated a substantial investigation to implement it. And having no way to prove that it isn't some form of internet hoax, I have referred it to Jabiru to tell me what I should do in my particular case. If it is an official RAANZ document I am surprsed that it does not mention specific engine numbers to reflect to numerous changes and upgrades that have fed thru on Jabiru engines in this area over the years, as indeed does the flywheel bolt papers on the Jabiru website. For the RAANZ to recommend such higher torque settings than used by the manufacturer doesn't look kosher to me, and I am amazed that they would shoulder that risk if it is not approved by the engine maker. I'll be interested to hear what the manufacturer has to say as I fear that the article you have posted may encourage some owners to go off half cocked ....... or double torqued. Have sent a copy to Steve Bell [RAAUS Tech Officer]for a opinion on the torque values considering Jabiru recommends 24 ft lbs /32.50 nm as per SERVICE BULLETIN: JSB 012-1.:confused:
Captain Posted November 4, 2009 Posted November 4, 2009 Have sent a copy to Steve Bell [RAAUS Tech Officer]for a opinion on the torque values considering Jabiru recommends 24 ft lbs /32.50 nm as per SERVICE BULLETIN: JSB 012-1.:confused: Thanks Graeme and 87, I was aware of, and have complied with, JSN 012-1 (which is relatively old news and covered engines well before mine was made), but my problem is that the NZ doument is so prescriptive and definite & by my reading they are substantially different. And the NZ document is the 1st I have heard of any timing gear issues (or that they can be specifically blamed for any flywheel bolt looseness). So should we REALLY go chasing timing gear inspections as per the NZ document? Hopefully Steve B of RA Aus or the factory will clear this up. Regards Geoff
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