Why stick into wind?

[Tomo]

Ok, so why do we put stick into wind on take off, landing etc...?

 

So we all know the answer, we all do it... but now is your chance to 'really' think about it, and say what you reckon...

 

Is it just something we do - "cause that's just what you do?" Or do you really know why you do it?

 

What are the advantages of it?

 

Why does it make life easier?

 

Join in everyone... don't worry if it sounds silly, sometimes the most simple day to day things are the ones that make life easier, and can create a better understanding.

 

:big_grin:

 

 

[motzartmerv]

A simple answer would be that your useing aileron drag to your advantage, ie, helping you keep straight. Also stopping any tendancy to roll away from the wind.

 

cheers

 

 

[Benjamin Pitt]

Do you mean while taking off/landing, or taxiing?

 

 

[Guest drizzt1978]

Because it keeps the wing down, vita vese The wing wont go up when the wind hits it. Is That simple enough?

 

I dunno, i just do what im told, both at home and in the cockpit....

 

 

[GraemeK]

Do you mean while taking off/landing, or taxiing?

I assume you're alluding to the fact that taxiing is different - quartering tailwind, stick out of wind (ie aileron on windward side is down, stops wind getting under wing). :thumb_up:

 

 

[Tomo]

Taxiing is a little different... as GK has already said, so take off/landing at the moment Ben.

 

Keep it up...:thumb_up:

 

 

[dazza 38]

A simple answer would be that your useing aileron drag to your advantage, ie, helping you keep straight. Also stopping any tendancy to roll away from the wind.cheers

i think thats covers it nicely.:thumb_up:

 

 

[Tomo]

A simple answer would be that your useing aileron drag to your advantage, ie, helping you keep straight. Also stopping any tendancy to roll away from the wind.cheers

Yes, Merv has put it down very nicely....

 

Anyone think different?

 

 

[facthunter]

technique.X-wind ground roll.

 

Stick into wind stops the wind lifting the IN TO WIND wing (upwind), when you have a crosswind. Adverse aileron effect will also apply as discussed, and help to keep the aircraft from turning into wind. You will also apply downwind rudder to stop the aircraft weathercocking into wind, as well .Your propwash will have an effect on the rudder that you apply, so take that into account also, especially if the crosswind is getting towards the comfortable limit.

 

On landing it is a good idea to apply the aileron the same way as well, although if you apply a lot of it early after touchdown you may overdo it and run the aircraft on one wheel. This is easily corrected. as you slow up you can increase the amount. Nev

 

 

[poteroo]

After a considerable amount of t/w time - my approach is to both begin the take-off roll, and end the landing roll - with full deflection 'into wind' aileron. On t/o - reduce aileron deflection as IAS increases - and on landing, increase it as IAS reduces. Use enough to keep the aircraft wanting to lift it's downwind mainwheel. Simple approach for simple pilot!

 

happy days,

 

 

[Ultralights]

another way to think of it, in flight, pushing the stick left or right causes a turn in that direction, so while on short final, through flare and touchdown, wing down into wind will create a turning moment that will help counteract crosswind drift. take off is similar, as rotate speed is reached, the aircraft will get very light on its wheels, and begin to drift with a crosswind, wing down into wind at take off will help reduce this sideways drift and reduce wear and stress on the undercarriage.

 

At Taxiing speeds, it helps reduce the chance of a wing lifting or loss of control in the event of a gust.

 

 

[Guest check-in]

There is nothing wrong with landing in a crosswind on the windward wheel first and rolling along just on that wheel for a short distance until the leeward wheel comes down all of its own accord. Too often I see pilot get it on OK with aileron correctly applied into wind, then centralise the stick/yoke only to wonder why the windward wing picks up lift and the aeroplane veers off towards the downwind side of the runway. If anything, as the speed reduces during the landing roll-out, aileron into wind should be INCREASED to counter the effects of the crosswind. Of course appropriate opposing rudder is required throughout the crosswind landing.

 

 

[dazza 38]

There is nothing wrong with landing in a crosswind on the windward wheel first and rolling along just on that wheel for a short distance until the leeward wheel comes down all of its own accord.I totaly agree with check-ins, statement, i have done this, plenty of times.

[slartibartfast]

Me too. I didn't realise how important it was in a high wing aircraft until the first time I landed a 172 in a crosswind. I relaxed the into wind aileron after touch down only to have it go straight up onto one wheel. Big surprise.

 

 

[Tracktop]

Yes, Merv has put it down very nicely....Anyone think different?

Yep - Don't have ailero thingos or rudder thingos :big_grin:

 

:hittinghead: :peepwall: :baldy: :kboom:

 

 

[JayKay]

Of course as you backtrack the runway (with the wind behind and from your right,for instance) you hold the stick...assuming a nosewheel aircraft...1 In a neutral position

2 left and elevator full back

 

3 right and elevator full back

 

4 left and elevator full forward

 

5 right and elevator full back

And my answer is : ....

 

4. Left and elevator full forward

 

 

[GraemeK]

Noone else was game enough to have a go!

I was tempted to answer "all of the above" because that's the way I taxi .....

 

 

[Tomo]

Well done JK!!You win the banana! Noone else was game enough to have a go!

Sorry Cfi didn't realize it was a question air... I did wonder what exactly it was about.

 

 

[Benjamin Pitt]

hehe me either, I thought cficare was maybe just describing each of his input's from downwind taxi to shutdown