Final or Finals

[Tomo]

They are only weeds if don't like them.

 

One man's weed, is another women's garden

 

 

[BigPete]

Right you blokes - go and find something constructive to do. Sheeesh!

 

 

regards

 

:big_grin::big_grin:

 

 

[icebob]

Hi,

 

Have to agree with sharp end here, old military training, even once made a call at a tower controlled country strip" flaps down - wheels down - hook down - short finals". got some odd looks when i landed too. don't know why, they have never seen a C206 with a hook?????

 

Bob.

 

 

[Guest Sharp End]

Maj, long final and short final are not two finals. If that were the case, mid downwind and late downwind would be two downwinds.

 

The reason "finals" is a military term is because due to oval circuits, the combined base and final turns were joined into one leg known as "finals."

 

During a straight-in approach such as an ILS or a PAR, after passing the outer and middle markers, if asked by air traffic control the pilot would say they were "on final."

 

 

[kaz3g]

Is turning (?)... is turning (??)... finals(???)

 

It's hard enough getting a word in edge-wise sometimes so why make what almost amounts to a political speech when you want the world to listen?

 

(call sign)... final/short final... (rwy) 17

 

Says it all!

 

kaz

 

 

[Guest Maj Millard]

Sharpend, If i'm in the pattern, and don't have traffic spotted, yes it does matter whether he is on long final, or short final. Some folks call long final 3 NM out, or more. Short final to me is just outside the fence, or even over it. In that case I do need to know wether he is on a 'long final', or if he is about to touch down. It may certainly help me make my next decision, either to extend my downwind, or not.

 

And mid downwind, and late downwind are also different, for the same reason.

 

We are not flying military jets here, nor do many ULs fly ILS or PAR approaches. We often find ourselves these days with a mix of aircraft that have different speeds, and differing degees of visability. For that reason alone we need to stay ready to be somewhat flexable in our decision making in the pattern.

 

Remember that the majority of midairs occur within 10 NM of an airport, and some in the pattern itself !!................................................................................Maj...

 

 

[GraemeK]

(call sign)... final/short final... (rwy) 17

First, I agree with most - it's final!

 

Secondly, it might add a word to the RT, but I always call turning (base/final/etc) and try to make the call during or immediately before the turn (where possible, of course - aviate first - if I've finished the turn before I can make the call then it's just base/final/etc).

 

Reason? Anyone hearing my call and then trying to sight me has a much better chance of seeing me if the wings are banked.

 

 

[poteroo]

Post #7 caught my eye - the vexatious practice of making calls in the 3rd person.

 

It must be contagious because it's everywhere - it's everywhere!

 

And it seems to be really prevalent in pilots operating into CTAF®'s......must be transmitted from RPT and turbine CHTR to PPL's by VHF?? Must ask my DAME if that's possible.

 

happy days,

 

 

[Relfy]

Am i the only one here who cannot definitively recall what i say? I know that my CFI says finals and the other instructor says final.

 

I'll take note of it and get back to ya'all. Maj seems to be on the money though.

 

 

[shags_j]

That actualyl goes against the regs Destiny. One of the required calls is the final call. I would use it regardless of which strip I was landing at.

 

 

[shags_j]

Hey it is too. That's really strange.