BigPete Posted March 13, 2010 Posted March 13, 2010 I own a Jabiru J160c. :thumb_up: Jabiru now list on their website a J160D. :confused: So whats changed - does anyone know regards :big_grin::big_grin:
Vev Posted March 13, 2010 Posted March 13, 2010 Sseeker, Interesting piece of info ... what makes you pretty sure? Cheers Jack
slartibartfast Posted March 13, 2010 Posted March 13, 2010 Their website says MTOW is 540Kg for 160D and 160C. It looks there like the D is factory built and C is the kit.
sseeker Posted March 13, 2010 Posted March 13, 2010 Hi Slarti, I read that the D was the 600kg MTOW modified one on their website somewhere. One thing I've learned with Jab is to never trust their publications Also the J160C & D are both factory built, the J160 is the kit plane.
slartibartfast Posted March 13, 2010 Posted March 13, 2010 You can only go to 600kg if LSA. This table is from another bit on the Jabiru website. Factory Complete Aircraft Comparison UL-D J120 J160 J170 J230 Seats 2 2 2 2 2 Registration RAA RAA/VH RAA/VH RAA/VH RAA/VH Engine 2200cc 2200cc 2200cc 2200cc 3300cc Fuel in wings (except J120 begind the seats) 70 ltrs 65 ltrs 135ltrs 135ltrs 135ltrs MTOW 450 kg 500 kg 540 kg 600 kg 600kg The website appears to state in multiple places that only the 170 and 230 are LSA. You're right about the info being inconsistent though. Edit - that didn't cut and paste too well. Just read them in order.
sseeker Posted March 13, 2010 Posted March 13, 2010 Yes slarti that's right, I've been speaking to someone over PM and they confirmed I'd accidentally read the J170 page instead of J160.
Vev Posted March 13, 2010 Posted March 13, 2010 Ok ... So back to Big Pete question ... what's the difference? Cheers Jack
BigPete Posted March 13, 2010 Author Posted March 13, 2010 I have it from a very reliable source that the new J160D is the old J160C now built under the LSA rules. :ah_oh: This means that Jabiru can make modifications/improvements :thumb_up: with out the huge cost of re-certification under the "old" classification. :thumb_up: I guess my J160C is now a collectors item. Ebay, here I come........:big_grin::big_grin: regards :big_grin::big_grin:
johnm Posted March 15, 2010 Posted March 15, 2010 differences Also another fundamental difference is that d comes after c - alphabetically 1
Ultralights Posted March 17, 2010 Posted March 17, 2010 when will they put the 6 cyl motor in the J170???
winsor68 Posted March 17, 2010 Posted March 17, 2010 I thought I saw something about it referring to the newer model motor in the latest aircraft? 1
planedriver Posted March 21, 2010 Posted March 21, 2010 Hi Pete, The difference is thats one's in the primary catagory and the others in light sports. Edge Aviation at West Sale now have two J160D's' son line. Kind Regards Planey
Ross Posted March 24, 2010 Posted March 24, 2010 when will they put the 6 cyl motor in the J170??? I had a close look at a very nice J160 with 3300 ccs sitting up the front visiting Leeton's Brobenah airstrip last year at a fly in for a couple of days. I have a number photos if you are interested but not under the bonnet. Rod Stiff told me in a personal phone call a few years ago that the 2200 and 3300 motors share the same engine mount. If I remember correctly what was said by the pilot owner builder, it required a bit of restraint on the amount of throttle used on takeoff otherwise it tended to be rather vertical! Does it have standard J160 wings-I do not know. I would expect that it would have reduced fuel, luggage, passenger carrying capacity to be legal.
BigPete Posted March 24, 2010 Author Posted March 24, 2010 G'day Ross - great to hear from you. How's the build going? regards 1
Guest basscheffers Posted March 25, 2010 Posted March 25, 2010 Don't trust the Jabiru website for any figures; it is so full of outdated or contradicting or missing numbers and simply wrong information, it's not funny.
bushpilot Posted June 6, 2010 Posted June 6, 2010 Hi Slarti,I read that the D was the 600kg MTOW modified one on their website somewhere. One thing I've learned with Jab is to never trust their publications Also the J160C & D are both factory built, the J160 is the kit plane. And consider this recent advice from RAAus: "There are 3 different versions of the J170. The first two are: An ultralight up to J170C but the later Cs were different. The early Cs and below had a MTOW of 544Kg. The late model Cs and the Ds were LSA so their MTOW is 600kg. Lastly there is an amateur kit version with a MTOW of 544Kg So if the aircraft is a LSA (it has a Certificate of Airworthiness in LSA) the MTOW is 600kg. The rest are 455kg. This also applies to the 160 and 120."
LimaMike08 Posted January 31, 2013 Posted January 31, 2013 What does this mean for a potential buyer? Assuming all else is equal and I am only using it for personal use would a J160D be a better option to buy than a J160C? 1
alf jessup Posted January 31, 2013 Posted January 31, 2013 when will they put the 6 cyl motor in the J170??? Ultralights, I friend of mine out of LTV has a 19 rego'd 170 with a 6 in it, nice machine with plenty of grunt. Alf 1
Dieselten Posted February 3, 2013 Posted February 3, 2013 The J160C is certified in the Primary category, the J160D is LSA. Being primary category means the airworthiness has been certified by CASA, not the factory. So, if Jabiru went out of business and no other maker wanted to take on all the LSA Jabirus, the fleet of LSA Jabs would be grounded, but the primary category certified Jabs could keep flying. This is part of the ticking time-bomb which is LSA. When there is no manufacturer to certify the airworthiness, the fleet is effectively out of the air leaving owners with the option of re-registering VH experimental or grounding the aircraft for good. Once you go VH Experimental, there's no going back, and the aircraft cannot be put on cross-hire. LSA seemed like such a good idea at the time but wait until a few European manufacturers of LSA aircraft go under and see what happens to their fleets. 1
Guest Error404 Posted February 3, 2013 Posted February 3, 2013 I wouldn't lose sleep over it, if Jabiru closed up someone would take over the LsA responsibilities. The j160c model is under 95.55 cost something like a $1mil to certify but the d model self certified, itother only way to keep costs down for the small manufacturers these days.
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