ohhhh all this time i have sent emails upper case and lower as and when the computers caps lock is on or off .... but i see it as looking better...... an that's classed as shouting wow.... so its another way of being rude i wonder who thought that one up i always thought '''''*-----***** etc was being rude ARHHH BUGGAR i don't think i wish to conform so i thank you cobber for the info but if i change now my friends will want to know whats wrong with me regards kermit