Thanks for the addition Nev, I think we are on the same page. I would like to add that speed is not the primary problem in a stall it is the wing load. The normal quoted stall speed is at 1G and is a bit meaning less. eg. if you have a quoted stall speed of say 45Kts. and push foward till the seat load gets light the stall speed may be less than half that, if you are in a steep level turn the stall speed may well be 1.5 times that cos you are pulling back to maintain level. It all comes down to load.