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SkyEcho 2 - ADSB light doesn't come on...
Bosi72 replied to Philster2001's topic in Instruments, Radios and Electronics
There are many designs where device stops working when the battery is fully depleted regardless of being connected to the wall chargers. Some phones (if not all) when the battery is completely discharged won't start until the battery reaches some minimum (a couple of %) so it can start working. I understand desire of all aircraft owners (including me) to save the costs and keep the $1000 device permanently in the aircraft doing the same job of $5000 transponder, however the reality is the SkyEcho2 is still a portable device. I am sure electronic gurus can improve device and bypass the battery, add better antenna, which can bring it closer to $5000 transponder, but it still won't be the full Mode-s. Also, the portability will be lost, which is in my opinion of much greater value than keeping SE2 permanently attached to the aircraft. For example I also fly gliders and aircrafts without adsb-in-out. By carrying SE2 with me, adds an extra layer of safety to be able to "see" other aircrafts, and being seen too. -
SkyEcho 2 - ADSB light doesn't come on...
Bosi72 replied to Philster2001's topic in Instruments, Radios and Electronics
Same as smart watches and some phones which can tell the pressure only.. Without QNH, there are no means to decode the altitude. Therefore in-flight, I normally check what is my altitude shown from SkyEcho and compare it with the altimeter. That way I can tell whether the other traffic is at the same altitude as me. Always assume aircraft within +/-300ft is at the same level. In any case, the Adsb data providers can distinguish whether the data is coming from transponder or SkyEcho2. -
SkyEcho 2 - ADSB light doesn't come on...
Bosi72 replied to Philster2001's topic in Instruments, Radios and Electronics
not true. https://uavionix.com/downloads/skyecho/SkyEcho-User-and-Installation-Guide.pdf page 26. paragraph 9.3 Indicators -
SkyEcho 2 - ADSB light doesn't come on...
Bosi72 replied to Philster2001's topic in Instruments, Radios and Electronics
At high level, raw Mode S (non-adsb) data packets contain barometric data vs SkyEcho only sends the GPS data. However, there are fields in the data packet (in particular DF18) that can tell whether the data is coming from transponder or EC-device. https://discussions.flightaware.com/t/skyecho2-and-missing-data/87686/ Read responses from obj - FlightAware staff. With regards to adding my aircraft to FR24 database, it is in personal correspondence with FR24 support from July 2020. -
SkyEcho 2 - ADSB light doesn't come on...
Bosi72 replied to Philster2001's topic in Instruments, Radios and Electronics
They can distinguish whether the data is coming from Mode-S-Adsb transponder vs. SkyEcho2. In July 2020, the default behaviour was to omit data from SE2 devices. After sending an email to FlightRadar24 support, my aircraft was added to the database. This is also likely possible, just checking both FlightRadar24 and FlightAware have coverage in Esperance (YESP). AdsbExchange does not have a coverage there, so disregard. -
SkyEcho 2 - ADSB light doesn't come on...
Bosi72 replied to Philster2001's topic in Instruments, Radios and Electronics
Can you look up yourself on Adsbexchange ? For example, use the link below, but replace "7cNNNN" with your own hex code. https://globe.adsbexchange.com/?icao=7cNNNN If the flight was in the past, click History+ on the left hand side menu, then click Previous UTC Day button. With regards to FlightRadar24, FlightAware, they are all "massaging/filtering" the data, where Adsbexchange is not. If you want to be seen on those websites, you will need to send them an email and tell them to include your aircraft in their database. -
SkyEcho 2 - ADSB light doesn't come on...
Bosi72 replied to Philster2001's topic in Instruments, Radios and Electronics
I have iPad mini (cellular) and Aeroplane mode is not required. It is actually switched off because I want to see both adsb and internet traffic at the same time (green and blue arrows in avplan). -
SkyEcho 2 - ADSB light doesn't come on...
Bosi72 replied to Philster2001's topic in Instruments, Radios and Electronics
Agree, but unfortunately to my knowledge, there is no direct competition in Adsb-Out EC space (portable that fits into a pocket). The next step is transponder fixed to dashboard with cooling fans, heatsinks, $$$, etc.. I found opening vents at the wing root helps with the cooling. In any case, these are some of the issues I have encountered over past 3-4 years, you might be lucky and not having any of these issues.. Cheers -
SkyEcho 2 - ADSB light doesn't come on...
Bosi72 replied to Philster2001's topic in Instruments, Radios and Electronics
>Is there any reason why I can't have it plugged in to ship power? I have powered USB ports. Nobody said you can't have it plugged in the aircraft, however as per manufacturer's notes (see kgwilson's post above) it needs a proper charger. If you want to keep it permanently in the aircraft, you will need a QC3/18W+/2.5Amp+ charger. have a look at: https://uavionix.com/downloads/skyecho/SkyEcho 2 User and Installation Guide REV N.pdf page 18. 8.2.1 Connection Notes If you use "standard" usb charger, it will charge, however over the time, it will use/drain more power than it charges, and it will eventually stop working. The workaround is to keep it charged at home on a high-powered wall charger, then top-up in the aircraft. Some people are using small car jumpstart batteries with high-power usb ports as a workaround. >Is the overheating from sun or the device itself? The device will get warm(ish) on its own, but it won't overheat. However Sun will make SkyEcho2 overheat, same as ipads, phones... -
SkyEcho 2 - ADSB light doesn't come on...
Bosi72 replied to Philster2001's topic in Instruments, Radios and Electronics
The most issues with SE2 are charging-related, i.e. under-powered. You need to find a good 12v to 5v converter/charger, but note even some brand names aren't up to specs. Alternatively, a good external battery (car jumpstart) will do the job. Another issue is overheating, which I resolved by opening and redirecting air from the vents at the wing roots onto the dashboard.(Cessna) Positioning wise, it will perform good as long as it can see the sky. I keep it on a dashboard on a velcro, surrounded with aluminium from almost all sides (it is fast back Cessna, not omnivision). -
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SkyEcho 2 - ADSB light doesn't come on...
Bosi72 replied to Philster2001's topic in Instruments, Radios and Electronics
Assuming this is VH aircraft, the ICAO HEX code should be written on your aircraft's "Certificate of registration", under Notes at the bottom of the document. You don't need to fly to test it, should be able to do that on the ground. -
SkyEcho 2 - ADSB light doesn't come on...
Bosi72 replied to Philster2001's topic in Instruments, Radios and Electronics
From your phone/tablet/ipad connect to Skyecho wifi. Once connected, open browser and 1. type ip address 192.168.4.1 (this might be different). 2. Tap SkyEcho Setup On Setup screen below, confirm 1090ES Transmit is ticked as Enabled. Also confirm other parameters including your rego and hex code. If not, tick Enable, Apply, Main page, then Setup again to confirm the change is applied. If ADS-B led is not blinking, then I suggest to contact uavionix support. Let us know how you go. -
FlightAware is the 3rd party ADSB data provider, same as FlightRadar24, same as AdsbExchange. There are others as well, but not as big as those 3. Both FlightAware and FlightRadar24 are filtering, extrapolating, massaging the data. However, according to https://www.adsbexchange.com/faq/ (see the key paragraphs below) they are not filtering any of data... until they do:) ..... Q: How is ADS-B Exchange different than “other” flight tracking sites? A: ADS-B Exchange operates a bit differently from other flight tracking sites. As a group of aviation enthusiasts, our primary goal is to answer the question of “what’s up there” rather than “is grandma’s flight on-time”. You’ll never see an aircraft censored or “blocked” from our site. If one of our feeders is receiving it, the data will be there. This includes military, and other aircraft that attempt to be “unlisted”. Hint: to see some of the planes not shown by other sites, from the map page, right-hand column, Filters -> LADD -> Filter. This primarily applies to US registered aircraft. We don’t “estimate” or “interpolate” positions. Every time you see an aircraft move on ADS-B Exchange it is based on actual data received and not an estimate of where the aircraft “should” be. Look at the unnatural movement of aircraft on some of the other sites – you’ll see what we mean. If we are receiving the data, we’ll update positions as often as once per second… with _real_ data. (2x per second via the Enterprise API). Q: Is there any way to get my flight/aircraft removed from your website? A: No, ADS-B Exchange does not accept owner and operator requests to filter flights, aircraft, or fleets. ADS-B Exchange displays unmanipulated flight activity and information of all aircraft that broadcast ADS-B or Mode S. Operators and owners looking to limit the display of their flight activity may apply to the FAA’s Privacy ICAO Aircraft Address (PIA) program, which will assign aircraft temporary ICAO aircraft addresses that will display on ADS-B Exchange instead of the permanently assigned address. Operators of aircraft flying sensitive government missions should coordinate with the FAA per FAA 14 CFR Section 91.225(f). Q: Isn’t this a security risk? A: No. If aircraft do not want to be seen, (such as military or law enforcement aircraft on a mission) they can always turn their transponders “off”, or over to “Mode C”. The position data shown by ADS-B Exchange is available to anyone who can spend $50 on Amazon and put the parts together. It’s not secret. Air Traffic Control voice comms are not encrypted either, and contain similar (or more) information. ........