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Very true what you say Nev except I believe the Conspiracy theory. CASA sports aviation people were at the CFI conference, I can't see why they would not have discussed it as they should have known that FTF with Jabiru would have been affected also the meeting scheduled with CASA and Jabiru was originally cancelled because CASA guy was sick or something and the meeting was rescheduled the day after when the intention was made public on 13th Nov. I fully believe the conspiracy theory and hope the relevant people do not get a chance to do this irresponsible antics again. After all that I do hope Jabiru make improvements on their engines. In support of the conspiracy, why does anyone need RAA if CASA take over recreational licensing and registration other that being a national club ? Why did CASA employ three ex RAA people ? Why did not CASA use it's own people to audit RAA ? Why did they put an ex RAA CEO in charge of CASA sports aviation ? Why did CASA sponsor Natfly and act like it was in charge ? Why did so many CASA sports aviation people attend CFI conference ? Why did I get a standard response from minister W Truss, did he get so many complaints ? Why when I wrote to other government officials they palmed it off and said would pass to relevant minister ? Why don't they wake up ? Are they completely stupid ? Why wouldn't Jabiru just close down and reopen tomorrow with another name ?

Nev, if you listen to the sound it says he is applying left stick right rudder, I think they were both doing the same. When a stall is entered and held in a 152 isn't it most likely to roll left into a spin ?

When I did my PPL in a C172 I was told to wriggle and make sure the seat was locked and make sure the passenger was also locked in seat position. The seat rail is fitted with stops on the pilots seat to prevent it from moving all the way back. People have removed these stops to allow easy access to rear seat which is dangerous and not allowed !, There is also a modification to the pilots seat on C172 I have seen and it is an inertia reel seat stopper, I don't know if it is a mandatory AD but I believe it is supplied by Cessna at no charge. The seat rail in my C172 were inspected every 100hourly and eventually all replaced, I was told the reason cracks occur apart from wear is that they were a structural part of the plane.

Litigation ! https://books.google.com.au/books?id=bUFjUzzIFK0C&pg=PA20&lpg=PA20&dq=cessna+seat+rail+litigation&source=bl&ots=rsa8w124XN&sig=s4qbq0q-lyTzoCXUjPd49hvBMwM&hl=en&sa=X&ei=y4vNVPiuEZCD8gWljIDICg&ved=0CDgQ6AEwBw#v=onepage&q=cessna%20seat%20rail%20litigation&f=false http://www.leagle.com/decision/1995937660So2d277_1912.xml/CASSOUTT%20v.%20CESSNA%20AIRCRAFT%20CO. http://www.ainonline.com/aviation-news/2007-11-27/cessna-found-liable-480m-crash-185 http://www.beasleyallen.com/news/53m-awarded-in-crash-of-a-cessna-150/ http://www.bizjournals.com/wichita/stories/2002/03/11/daily50.html http://vineyardgazette.com/news/2012/04/05/dramatic-plane-crash-trial-ends-abruptly-settlements?k=vg54cd6d33420ce http://caselaw.findlaw.com/fl-district-court-of-appeal/1580648.html

I did not get the answer, I wonder if people realise. Throughout the 1980s, several attempts were made by Cessna to inform customers of potential problems with seat railings after their tracks became worn, which included a service information letter in March of 1983 (SE83-6), a Pilot Safety and Warning Supplement in 1985, an FAA Airworthiness Directive in 1987 (FAA AD 87-20-03), and an offer of a free secondary seat-stop system for all single-engine Cessna owners. In 1986 Cessna Aircraft shut down its single engine manufacturing plant. This was due to the high escalating liability costs. However, with the General Aviation Revitalization Act of 1994 it cleared the way for Cessna to begin manufacturing single engine aircraft.

You said, "Personally I wouldn't fly in a Jabiru-powered aircraft and I shudder to think I put my family and friends in one." I accept what you say about Jabiru faults and seeing Stiff get off the hook as I believe he should have addressed problems. The actions of CASA are not appropriate, it does nothing to make Jabiru do anything. If you think this is the right action you may as well give up flying, do you know why Cessna stopped producing single engine aircraft in the early eighties ? It was a known problem with AD's yet litigation caused it from pilots who ignored it and failed to check. I have seen pilots on many occasions do things to engines that I wouldn't do, so much so I would not get in any plane unless I know it history, maintenance, pilots and storage. Many Jabirus give trouble free operation but they are delicate and so are other engines. If you think a plane should put up with abuse then problems are sure to happen. If someone flys a plane over weight regularly, high G turns, heavy landings, crabbed landings, steep climbs, idle descents, no warm up, stored long periods and engine not turned over. I would not buy or fly a plane unless I knew it history. Jabiru are their own enemy at the moment but CASA are the enemy of the people as they have done nothing to address the problem merely caused inconvenience which could spread and destroy recreational aviation. I fear structural failure more than anything, when I flew two stokes I was told " it's not IF but WHEN " a engine failure will happen. The Jabiru engine has been a great asset to the progression of light aircraft. OPEN THE WINDOW AND TAKE A LOOK ! UL and D motor use Jabiru mounts, Rotec make after market parts, many flying schools use Jabiru, exported around the world. Etc, etc CASA are completely out of control and are ready to wreck whatever they can get their hands on. Look at GA, where are all the flying schools, where are all the LAME and workshops ?

Brisbane Centre not control.

Thanks, things have changed then.

From Wilipedia, http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Newcastle_Airport_(New_South_Wales) Newcastle Airport is surrounded by Class C Airspace and has a control tower which is manned Monday to Friday, between the hours of 0800 – 2200. On weekends and at other times, pilots must co-ordinate movements using a Common Traffic Advisory Frequency (CTAF). The air traffic control service is provided by RAAF personnel.[10]. Anyone know if this has changed ?

I was always of the understanding it was class G and CTAF on weekends but could become active at any time, need to check Notams. I always did ATIS check and radio Brisbane Centre, I have a PPL so it's never stopped me just needed to know whether to ask for clearance. Extract from. http://www.casa.gov.au/wcmswr/_assets/main/oar/download/williamtown_study08final.pdf Operational Context Williamtown Air Traffic Control (ATC) provides a Class C service between 0800 and 2200 (local) Monday to Friday in Restricted Airspace surrounding Williamtown. During this period, the airspace above Williamtown is restricted to prevent civil air traffic conflicting with military aviation activity. On weekends and during a four week stand- down period over the Christmas/New Year break, the Restricted Airspace is deactivated by a Notice to Airman (NOTAM) and reverts to Class G airspace with overlying Class E airspace from 8,500 feet (ft) to the start of Class A airspace at Flight Level 180. Williamtown/Newcastle Airport is a military aerodrome that accommodates limited civilian aircraft movements.

It is beautiful country.

Nev, Coastal from nobbys past Williamtown is CTA weekdays. If I was going from Scone to Taree north of R583B I would be at 7500 ft and follow river valley, because of high ground around 3600ft going down to sea level, nearly glide to the coast.

The trip from Nundle to Taree is easy also as Sdqdi said.

Hi Justnuzza, I have flown this area a few times, I suggest you look at google earth to see the terrain. I would follow the Manning river valley just north of the military zone R583B to Mount George and on to Taree. The Military zone is deactive most weekends and some weekdays. For a more detailed advice contact Pylon 500 or Morgan Aeroworks as both are based there. I'm further North.

Those who fear the legal system most are possibly doing something wrong ! I'd like to think that if it's done right with reasonable care and precaution that there would be very little to fear. If we feared all the legal possibilities we would not leave the house and not let anyone on the property.

Learning in CTA can shorten your flight time and there will be added costs as GAFA stated.

http://centralwestflying.com/training/

Why not look at your GA training in a C152 rather than a C172 , would be cheaper, just looked at one school was $285 dual and I know he's not the cheapest.

https://www.raa.asn.au/wp-content/uploads/2012/02/Operations-Manual-Issue-71.pdf See section 2.07. And section. 2.13.

You are wrong in your assumptions !!! He said J400 and were only ever a kit aircraft and 4 seat so VH experimental !!

If you can glide clear and stay above 1000 ft you will be fine, is it RAA or VH registered ?

A very long way off the number and if you read what Mark Skidmore wrote in his January newsletter, he has CONTRADICTED himself! Just what CASA needs as an aviation director, He seems to be like the standard Government breauracrat. January 2015 From the Director of Aviation Safety, Mark Skidmore There are five principles CASA must embrace when making decisions or taking actions that affect the aviation community. The first principle is of course aviation safety. The Civil Aviation Act makes this certain by stating its main object is to "establish a regulatory framework for maintaining, enhancing and promoting the safety of civil aviation, with particular emphasis on preventing aviation accidents and incidents." The Act also requires CASA to "regard the safety of air navigation as the most important consideration" when exercising our powers and performing our functions. So clearly CASA's first principle must be to support the safest aviation environment for all Australians. CASA's activities must pass the test of making a positive impact on maintaining or improving aviation safety. With safety at number one there are four other principles I will use to ensure CASA is an even more effective aviation safety regulator, while building our relationships with the aviation community. These principles are communication, cost, complexity and consistency. I know people in the aviation community have been talking about issues relating to these principles for some time and I thank those who have provided input to my approach. I have told CASA's people that I will require everyone in the organisation to think about and apply these principles when we make new regulations or amend existing regulations, when we make decisions and take or recommend actions. These principles will guide CASA in all our dealings with the aviation community. CASA has a responsibility to communicate clearly, simply and effectively. If the aviation community does not understand CASA’s safety requirements we will not get the right safety outcomes. When CASA makes changes or takes decisions and actions we must consider the financial impact on both the aviation community and CASA and seek to keep it as low as possible-without of course compromising the achievement of optimal safety outcomes. While we are bound by legal requirements in the way CASA's legislation is developed and presented, we must do our very best to minimise complexity and provide clear explanations of what we require that are free of jargon and confusing language. Finally, CASA must be consistent in its decision making and actions. It is not acceptable for different areas within CASA to present different views on the same issues to the aviation community. I am personally a great supporter of aviation and want to see as many people flying as possible. In keeping with this vision and our core regulatory functions, CASA's role is to encourage, support and foster higher standards of aviation safety.

CASA website. http://casa.gov.au/scripts/nc.dll?WCMS:STANDARD::pc=PC_102365. Mark Skidmore comments and down page Jabiru precautionary limitation still in place. To me I find the comments contradicting, what are your thoughts ? Also jabiru number was 40 I think now seems to be 45,

Contact Pylon 500 on here, he is located at Taree, satellite of SRFC at The Oaks. Has a Foxbat. Port Macquarie have a Foxbat, busy airport but fly it a little north Kempsey a quite strip. Good beaches at all of these places.

Don't go flying turbo ! It's too dangerous for you in anything as it is inherently dangerous ! It ain't over until we say it's over as it effects those with Jabiru or want a Jabiru! I pity those in CASA that think they have been clever as I think they will be the losers, seriously why do it this way. I never give up on something I feel strongly about, I believe there will be no respect for CASA for a long time unless sorted soon !!