Litespeed

It is obvious that, no matter what some people think, they must get on the same planet as the rest of us organisms. Or should get off, the dead rock they so earnestly strive for is called the moon. Gaia said its OK,they can all go and do as they wish. Just leave it how you found it. Anyway ........ As demonstrated by a chief sceptic, who eloquently demonstrated with his wonderful prose, and high praise it was indeed. The only solution is to accept the most gravest task...... I accept to be your benevolent dictator. I will rule with science, compassion, ethics and a love of all creatures. Even the those that by their actions have shown their greed over survival of others. Even those that are full of shite. At least we can grow food from them.

I think it might be like gravity. You have to drop them from height head first. We might have to do multiple repeated drops.

Amazing how some will use anything to shoot the messenger. Their blindness to reality is amazing at times. Or He doth protest too much. You know they are jumping Sharks when they claim it is offensive to do the right thing.

Amazing how some will use anything to shoot the messenger. Their blindness to reality is amazing at times. Or He doth protest too much. Maybe some need to get a job with a crane company. The ability to cherry pick and hoist straw men is amazing.

Or the most expensive restaurants ripping of millions in wages and then claiming the laws are unfair, too hard to read and understand. So justify stealing from wage earners. But it is not theft. Just good business practice. Steal $50 go to jail. Steal $5 million, blame the greedy staff you steal from and the unfairness of system, get away with it.

The ex fire commissioners report states Australia has actually risen on long term average by 1.9 degrees. That's a huge change for the driest continent. No one has more to loose country wise- bar flooded islands. But we are doing the absolute opposite of what we need to do. What a pathetic lucky country we are.

But fellas there is a massive skill shortage. Just ask any business, they try and get staff but Aussies want to be paid and have those commie things like work rights. So we fill up on often low skilled, underpaid visa staff or do one better like Jetstar and claim the flight is a international sector flight. So use massively underpaid cabin staff from Asia on Asian rates but working on local routes. Australia, the lucky country one day, and a morally bankrupt tax avoider the next.

Careful there Methulsa, Next you will expect us to think critically. You know knowledge and science is scary? Best just to shove heads in the sand and wait for Schmo the Munster to inform us from the rear.

Scomo the schmo, our prime Munster. Not just a religious fairy worshiper but a Pentecostal but. Religions right wing happy clappers who believe not only is greed good but godly for them. So believe they have a right to exploit the globe and everyone else. Who did he want to take to the states on his trip, when he went to a Pratt box factory Instead of the U N? Brian Houston of the millionaire Hillsong church as his spiritual advisor. Who is also still to be charged for covering his dad abuse of children, as per the royal commission. Even the Whitehouse said No farkin way. Looks pretty clear Scomo does not care if the future and children get farked over. Its all OK, folks shutup and pray. The Munster loves quiet obedient Australians.

I think your been a bit rough on the women and Judge. It is obvious the mechanic gave the women very bad advice and should have known the likely outcome of his advice. He only had to say, it can be damaged if you drive without cooling. Simply. Legally the same if the car had one wheel but but, she asked for help, mechanic looks at wheel missing all but one nut and only says, no nuts here go across town. Wheel falls off on trip, accident etc. Would he be liable then? Mechanics are a legally regulated trade and considered experts by law and the public. They have some responsibility even if it only not to provide negligent advice. The women did everything a reasonable person would expect, the mechanic did not. Getting paid or not is irrelevant. He is not a mate helping but a professional. It may be a case of a dodgy mechanic finally getting some payback. Been in bussiness is not a licence to do anything without care.

Four doors down from my place. Now just a mechanics of slow cars. Dainty was the quintisential Aussie creative engineer.

Don't forget the others as well. A goodie was the beer..... Two dogs firetrucking.

It just amazes me that some can use any excuse or creation of facts to suit their argument. All to excuse massive rippoffs of market failure. But always the first to scream for a government handout or rules to suit themselves. Economic sociopaths is a apt term. If you think I am pointing a finger in your direction? You would be correct

I am all for proper testing and accreditation with compliance of the rules been the norm. It is the ability to be dodgy by bending rules or plain ignoring them, that have Boeing in this situation. The effectual regulation gap in the USA is so big Airbus could fly a A380 through it.

Thankyou, that is appreciated. I never want to make those with greater qualifications or any, think I am deriding their knowledge or experience. I am just looking at it from a I treated bystander perspective. What I see I do not like. I agree cracks happen but this is a still major safety issue. Given the number of effected airframes with even low hours been detected, my argument stands. All should be grounded for inspection regardless of hours. They claim only a half day to inspect- so just do it. No crack- no problem, check again in 500 cycles. To wait till it is a Boeing mandated cycle number is asking for trouble and a number derived at by profit not safety. It is not my intent to flame every aircraft with a crack. But when the manufacturer has a big reputation for been dodgy, non compliance and fraudulent paperwork, fake parts etc. The concern is warranted. Yes, parts can be repaired, but I still contend the special nature if the part, its shape and the placement of the cracked fastener make a proper repair difficult. It is not a flat simple surface.

We need to see the criminal negligence in all of this. Forgetting the dead and talking purely poor corporate practice allows the culpable to get off. They get paid huge sums and know the decisions they make can kill. They knew of the potential for a safety after profit culture could lead to failure. They actively sought as a management group and some engineers to ignore the required best practice, choose to hide the functions of MCAS from pilots, airlines and regulators to ensure pilot training and fundamental safety were ignored for profit. A perfect example is the indicator light for MCAS activation was a high cost option. They charged something like $50,000 just to tell the pilot it was on. This demonstrates clearly they have chosen to not just downgrade safety but monetised it. This goes far beyond mere negligence and even criminal negligence. At the least it is negligent manslaughter for those complicit. I would in American parlance think it is really negligent homicide with hundreds of counts. Mass negligent homicide as the participants illegally conspired and this was a potential outcome. For Boeing as a entity just like in human terms it is guilty and must be treated as such. The ability of a society to sanction humans or corporates is fundamental. We can not blame the workers in general of Boeing and to dissolve the company would be unjust punishment on those not actively involved, and the broader local economies etc. But the need for punishment and deterrence is the same. You can not really jail a corporate entity but you can take control and ownership of its shares, management etc. The state becomes the owner and the victims families get a share. The shareholders have gambled on a company that lost betting against peoples lives. Deterence must penalise them. Lots of people have died because a group at Boeing were involved in a criminal conspiracy that lead to the foreseeable death of hundreds of people. Long jail sentences are required and a suitably punitive approach to the company.

I never ever claimed to be a Lame or anything. Never would but that does not discount my opinion nor my concerns. I do however have a science background and two eyeballs. How can the part be repaired to its pre cracked strength and also be sure it will not crack again? The fundamental answer is ....it can't without replacing the part with one that is new and proven to specs. It is not a skin or even a spar- they can be repaired in some cases. The pickle fork shown and many hundred others have been shown to not be up to the task they were designed and installed for. It is 1 major load point of only 4 in the lower part of the fork. No simple drill stop technique and a patch with new fastener will work. It is a substantial monolithic part. It is no simple bracket. For those that know more, please demonstrate.

I suggested if it is cracked, it needs replacement. If it is not cracked, it needs very regular inspection. The normal repair method does not suit the part at all. It is not a skin crack in one of thousand s if rivets. It is one of four. Its design does not allow for a patch. If that seems unfair or not normal practice, I suggest a crash course in physics is needed. Would any seriously use a aircraft that had 25% failure of your spar/ landing gear connection to the airframe on one lower side? Would you accept the word of your builder? After they are caught lying about their next model? Would you accept their cheap fix assurances? When the complexity of the parts indicate that as not a standard fix? Some will say, but that's normal practice or be reasonable. They need to take off their pilot hat or vested interests. The public needs to be safe and insular " we know best " thinking is why we are in this Boeing mess.

A comment on the crack.... That component shown only has four fasteners in that area to take the loads. 1 of 4 are cracked. It is not just, drill a crack stop hole and replace the fastener repair. The crack is 25% of the load ability of that area. This has failed in less than 30% of life cycle. That is a inherent failure of the part in poss 5% of the aircraft at this few cycles. How many will fail by 90000? A very large number could be expected. I agree it is very worrying this was not detected in normal inspections. Boeing must be spewing they did not have more paint spilled around, it would have covered the crack. Could we really expect a repair to resolve this, I think that is very wishful thinking. Total replacement with new pickle forks that are fully tested and actually built to certification not bodge parts are needed. No new pickle- then they can get forked.

It could be said current Qantas safety is more a matter of the legacy of the engineers that still get to work on them, most servicing is done elsewhere. Another factor is the relatively high pilot standard, go to jetstar and the pilots pay and experience tends to drop. Also the fleet in quite young and works in a high regulated environment. Modern jets are far safer per mile than older ones. If a airline running modern gear is not far safer than its older fleet brethren, the something is very wrong. Qantas is not immune from a crash, lots of near misses. A combination of luck, our relatively empty skies, long air times per cycle and few big airports all help. The fact they closed the airline to force in increased profits but slam any safety talk by engineers, speaks volumes for their culture. For some, Qantas could choose paper airplanes and still would refuse to see it as anything but the safest. The exact culture that has driven Boeing is alive and well in Qantas at all levels. Profit at any cost.

Its all well and fine to day the Boeing engineers are great and know what they are doing. But they are not in control, the bosses are. They have been proved untrustworthy with actions of over 15 years of fraud and building non compliant aircraft. Even today Boeing is betting on hiding stuff will still get them through. Qantas has form for safety last, profit first. You can bet the US would be much harder on a Airbus in this situation. They would say it is not certified and not flying. The Ng was never legally certified due to massive fraud that was swept under the carpet. What else is the design hiding? On a strict legal case the 737 ng would be permanently grounded as it never met certification. All ng production had fraudulent paperwork and non compliant parts fitted- major safety items. But no way will USA act on that.

Yes, the poor pilots are responsible if they do not follow their training. The other crew stuffed up not telling about the issue and also how they dealt with it. But that crew even though they became overwhelmed after a long fight for control did not make a cascade of fundamental errors. The cascade was already in place from the moment it left the factory and they self certified. Unfortunately this crew was not perfect on the day. If it takes a perfect crew to fly it and not die when fundamental baked in flaws start cascading, it aint safe for anything but a lawnbench. The Ethiopian pilots never really had a chance even on a perfect day. We are yet to see that investigation. We can jump up an down about substandard safety in other countries and training standards but that is Boeings target, they didn't even train them or tell them about MCAS because that's what Boeing wanted. It ain't a witch hunt when wee can see a smoking gun in Boeings hand.

If anything the sensor is just the tip of the Iceberg. Using a single sensor setup and no visual indicator of failure causing the MCA's to activate is negligent. The indicator light was a high cost option to indicate a problem with the system. That a light was considered a need then changed to a expensive option speaks volumes for profit over any safety expense . How many pilots were fully informed and trained to deal with the changes of a Max 8- answer is simply none. Even the test pilots were kept out of the loop in development. The mcas information is a few lines that do nothing to illuminate the pilot out of a 1600 page manual. They even wanted that kept out of the manual as it would indicate a need to train. The whole max 8 project was a exercise in getting big profits and purposely disregarding safety and legal certification. They are criminally negligent, and must be treated to the full extent of the law. That's at least manslaughter times 350? . This was a easily foreseeable result of their actions on a corporate and also individual level. Dependant on the law of the land prosecuted in, it should be the USA. It could easily be murder second degree- actions that a reasonable person would consider lead to ones death. The company deserves to have its liberty taken away as well. Shareholders must also be held accountable by losing their shares. They have gambled in the market and hitched their shares to a criminal enterprise. Live by the corporate sword, die by the corporate sword. The poor families of the dead should be given ownership of Boeing. Imagine how that would change corporate culture.

When the first Max 8 went down, I checked on the 737 ng and made the bold claim they were also a safety problem waiting to fail.( on HBA forum) I was shouted down as anti american and biased. The Neo was never ever legally certified, as fraud on parts was endemic also paperwork. Under strict law the neo should be grounded pernamently and chopped up. The same with the max 8. Never happen

I reckon their pickle problem will leave them forked.