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I know COBOL from uni days, but it was ancient even then. The modern COBOL is naturally the home planet of BATTLESTAR GALLACTICA.

The flying version of downtown Dehli Or Wentworthville.

Thanks Vizsla, But how does the need to gain such services as auditing or any other for that matter require matters of confidence? Or gaining revenue for the magazine? None of those functions require commercial in confidence nor should the organisation be in any activities that require it. Commercial in confidence deals with government bodies or regulators only serve to ensure a complete lack of scrutiny of contracts made and the obligations of the parties involved and financial risks and costs. They remove the ability to be accountable and even if things are correct and the best deal, it gives the impression of the complete opposite. The use of a tender process only requires you do not divulge the contents of tender bids until they are closed. I was referring to kirks concerns, but not so much the change of a word if it is clearly defamatory to a individual. However we must know the opinion and platform of the candidates. If the board does not agree with a stance taken by a candidate, that should not allow them to censor a candidates election page. The very notion that someone stands for election is they believe they can do a better job- assuming its not for a vendetta or power trip. Please note I have no particular grudge or emnity to any on the board nor do I wish to be pedantic. I merely want to see the success of our sport and for members to feel they are getting the best they deserve and are engaged including in elections. Cheers Phil

Indeed, some may at the very least have that impression.

Hi Ian, I like it. But I am with Tillmanr about been able to go straight to new posts. Even if for only those signed in. Would be helpful esp for fat fingered buggers like me when using a mobile. Phil

Thanks Vizsla, But that does not address the gag rule or inability to express a contrary opinion to that taken by the board in public. I am not suggesting the member can make unilateral directions. But merely to be able to have their view known. That does not effect the issue of defamation- reputational damage. Nor confidentiality where absolutely necessary. However your reference to competitive advantage has no bearing on the issue. They have no competition nor are they in business to make products or services that can be offered by another body. The very nature of the organisation is very different to a business irrespective of its newer status. They are a self regulation body that by law cannot be bypassed and must receive a fee to allow the legal right to fly. The have a monopoly with government permission. None of what you have stated should make a director feel gagged or even the impression they are. To do so damages the process of governance and reputation of the body. If the election rules and process are clear and transparent then why does a member seeking election find it unclear and the responses he was given unsatisfactory? Thanks Phil

Not wanting to get to fine points but.. . Why is it necessary for board members to be in public agreement with the decisions of the board. And not make comments? And what about having gag orders? There should be no gag orders nor should solidarity be a requirement. To be restricted in commenting here or anywhere else is completely unacceptable. Why no ability to have dissenting opinions? That would seem self defeating. If the board makes a stupid call and some members of the board disagree they should be able to express this. To have anything else means it is completely undemocratic to members and gags proper administration. The board are elected to represent the members not the board itself or CEO. They must be able to justify their decisions and should be open to dissent. Otherwise it becomes a dictatorship of those with the casting vote majority. Silence is not a solution. As far as the rules for elections go? I would be incredibly surprised if the board is legally allowed not to provide a full documentation on the process and rules for election of members. There are laws about this. If the AEC is been slack or does not care enough does not negate the law. Additionally there are other laws under the corporations acts and incorporated bodies dependant on structure.

Since when are councils only about the ratepayers? No they are the 3 rd arm of government and are duty bound to the residents and others who enter a local gov. area. Yes they get rates but they also get funding from state and fed governments and non rate sources. We all have to vote and thus they are responsible to us the people. Not just those that own property. Its a democracy not a rateocracy.

I would have thought given the surface it was landing on, you would want the gear up in case of any hidden surprises that might grab a gear leg. ?

No we want councils to look after the council area and provide infrastructure and services. The risk stuff is often bulldust to cover the real agenda they have. Risk is code in many cases " we are negligent and know it, but instead of been good, we will restrict your wellbeing "

I doubt even if he could would you dump the fuel. You would just provide a huge trail of flammable liquid and atomised fuel straight back to the aircraft. Far too close to the ground for dumping unless you want a dump and burn. But good job by the pilots.

Listen fellas and listen good.... I have enough trouble getting up in time and dropping my pants so you buggers can see in the day as it is.

So you saying it was Barnes Wallis? No it was Wing commander Kenneth Wallis. So I was wrong. Now that feels about normal.

You could be right. I have been wrong before and will again

Barnes Wallis would be proud. Lovely scale flight.

Alas dear sir, you have me dead to rights.

But I do know David has done a great deal and has at times used his own money. And for those who have open minds, I do not know of the tax arrangements but the old man is in one of his harbour mansions as we converse. So is his massive yacht, its getting a mega buck entertainment install at the moment.

With cat like tread, upon this prey I steal. Silence dread....... Was in Pirates of Penzance as a kid. And also did a play on a local colourful identity (Goulburn) for a festival. Got to hold and act with his real gun, I was 10 and played Ben Hall. Not exactly safety first. Thing was very heavy as many a old gun is. But at least I was the only person in cooee with a gun, so felt safe.

Nice one.

Damn that would really pee me off. Very bloody expensive as well. Where else can we get it from?

Not at all they are just stunned by the beauty and don't wish to destroy the vibe with their ugly mugs in the reflection.

Manwell, To insult someone means to say something the receiver finds offensive. Pretty simple really. Now can we get back to the thread topic.

Manwell, I think you are trying to justify your ability to offend with a belief that your words have no power. Thus you can use anything you like and the insulted party chooses their feelings. So it is always the recipitents fault . A view I do not share.

Engine or not, I back a pilot who started in gliders over on who has only flown a normal aircraft. Glider pilots tend to have a much better feel for the air. Nothing wrong with a terry hat, though more needed by power pilots to absorb the moisture. When that fan stops, pilots tend to sweat.

Once again, some seem to lack a bit of awareness. Kaz is a lady, not a princess. Not a good sort of bloke. Even blind Freddy knows women don't hear a compliment when you call em a bloke. But to then call her princess? You do like to live dangerously But most of all Kaz is a aviator who also happens to be female.